Brenda 00:00:01 Well. Hello, doctor Klein, thank you for being here. Thank you so much, Brenda, for having me. I'm excited to be talking with you today. I'm excited too. So before we dive into the meat and potatoes of our conversation, I have a question for you, which is what is one thing you either did or did not do that has led you to your yes, filled life? The very first.
Dr. Kline 00:00:23 Time that I did this was listening to my intuition and walking through a fork in the road into the unknown without fear. in that process.
Brenda 00:00:38 Amazing, amazing. So many times I hear this. It's like just following the intuitive nudge. How did you know that? It was intuition speaking.
Dr. Kline 00:00:49 it was just this solid knowing I was in in medical school, and I was all set to do a family practice residency, and I did another ob gyn rotation just so I could do more, because I loved it when they let me deliver my first baby on my own. It was just this I can't I can't explain it.
Dr. Kline 00:01:10 It was just I knew with every cell in my body. This is what I'm meant to do. And I had to change everything to be able to do that. Yeah.
Brenda 00:01:19 That's amazing. That's amazing. And as life sometimes does, it throws us, you know, twists and turns. And you pivoted again.
Dr. Kline 00:01:31 I have pivoted multiple times. So I said that was the first time. yeah. It's not I don't always listen to the nudges. You know, it's still a learning process. but, boy, when I do, it's amazing. There's no fear, there's no resistance. It's just. This is where I'm going. And if you want to join me, fine. But not. That's okay, because I'm so clear on this. Yeah.
Brenda 00:01:56 I love that. Have you always had that intuitive access or was that something that came over time?
Dr. Kline 00:02:02 I think I've always had it, and truly, I think we're all born with it. It is. It is not. It is something that we all have.
Dr. Kline 00:02:09 But as we exist in this current society, most of us are not encouraged to follow our intuition. So we learn to keep it quiet. And some people are actually really actively told not to use it. So I think we all have it, but it's a matter of fostering it and reconnecting so that we can trust it. If we've lost that connection earlier in life.
Brenda 00:02:35 Absolutely. And that's what I teach to everybody has it. It's whether or not we're listening or we're recognizing how it's communicating, because there's so many different ways that it can come through.
Dr. Kline 00:02:46 Absolutely. And I think that's one of the things that I love about human design is helping people understand their unique way. You know, some people, it's the gut response, right? So that's a very clear one for some people. It's a really subtle process. And when people say listen to your gut. For some people it's actually not your gut. It's something different. and so but yeah, we all have it in different ways.
Brenda 00:03:12 I love that you're bringing this up.
Brenda 00:03:13 So in human design, what I know about it is that for some people there is like a sacral authority, meaning they they know within their body that something is a yes or a no. I happen to have an emotional authority. Meaning it's not. It might be in my body, but it's going to take me more time to get there. Can you talk a little bit about those types of authority as they relate to human design?
Dr. Kline 00:03:39 Sure. I in a sense, almost all of them are in the body. They're not in the mind. You know, we're used to being told decisions are made through the mind, right? And that's how you're supposed to act. But the intuitive part in the decision making part comes through in different ways. So yes, the sacral is the most common. Right. And that's the gut yes or no. And it's really clear for people who have that. and I think not just sacral but all all the different types. Over time they figure it out. Usually, they just don't necessarily have the confidence in it.
Dr. Kline 00:04:15 Right? Yeah. So, so with emotional like, I'm curious as to how you learned to experience that and recognize that because that is a challenging one. You know, all these waves of emotion and learning. When's a good time to to listen to that? And when it's just your emotions playing and you just have to let them play out.
Brenda 00:04:36 Well, you know, I think it's still a work in progress. and it does come through in my body in the sense that I will feel different types of sensation. But I wouldn't have necessarily known that without doing the work that I do in Somatics and in breathwork and and energy healing. I think what I'm what I've said before I had any awareness is that some things felt good while other things felt bad.
Dr. Kline 00:05:02 Perfect.
Brenda 00:05:03 And I think that's, that's what I, that's the language I would have used. now I know that I need to give myself a deadline of how long I'm going to allow myself to feel something through. So and what I mean by that is, let's say, for example, I'm looking at buying a course about something that I really want to learn, and it's a pretty heavy investment.
Brenda 00:05:26 I'm going to give myself a deadline of like a week. Let's feel this for a week. We're not going to feel it for six months or two years or whatever, because, you know, that can feel like indecision. And then we can get into energy leaking because there's not a decision being made. so I self monitor by giving myself a deadline. We're going to decide by this day. In fact, there was an action item on my to do list yesterday that said decide this yes or no.
Dr. Kline 00:05:55 I love that, I love that I think that's a really practical framework, for, for people, and, so, yeah. No, thank you for sharing that. I love that.
Brenda 00:06:05 Yeah. You're welcome. So for the listener that is like, okay, I've heard people talk about human design, but I have no idea what it really is. Could you tell us, like in your terms, what is human design.
Dr. Kline 00:06:19 In a nutshell? To me, it is how we are energetically designed to be in this world, you know.
Dr. Kline 00:06:25 And for me, it's a really great, tool to get people connected to their energetics in a way they probably haven't thought about them before. you know, on the technical level, it's it's a fairly new modality, but it combines a lot of ancient modalities. So astrology, the Kabbalah, the E Ching, and even, you know, in the chakra system and it even does bring in the neutrino streams, which is quantum physics. So there is some modern science in there. Yeah. And again, it's a blueprint for for energy. And nobody that I work with. You know, it's not like they don't know this right. It's their soul on some level knows this. And it's just finding a different way to describe it to them so that they can reconnect and recognize. Remember? Oh, yes. That's me. And then how do I use tools and strategies to help me navigate my natural self in a way of being in a world that doesn't honor that? Right.
Brenda 00:07:35 Yeah. You're describing my exact experience.
Brenda 00:07:38 So I am a manifesting generator. And when I learned about manifesting generators, I was like, oh, this is part of how I made that. I love to have multiple projects I can ideate like until the cows come home. I will never run out of ideas and new things to try. And there was a lot of my life that I felt like that was a liability, something to be ashamed of, that I had so many ideas and I loved to try all the different things. And when I started to learn about human design, I realized, oh, this is actually like my makeup. I'm I am made to create and to have all these ideas.
Dr. Kline 00:08:16 Yeah, yeah. It gives you permission to be you in, you know, in a world where we are not given that permission and, you know, from other people, and then, of course, we don't give it to ourselves. Right.
Brenda 00:08:29 So can we talk about the types of. Yes, let's talk about the types, because I think there's so much information there.
Brenda 00:08:37 And then, yeah, let's go. Let's just start wherever you want to start there.
Dr. Kline 00:08:42 Yeah. That's fine. And, you know, I just want to introduce the idea that while we're talking about specific aspects of human design. Everybody is unique. So, you know, talk as we talk about the types, you know, manifesting generator, you are a manifesting generator. You have your own unique expression of that. Yes, there are common denominators, but everyone has multiple layers that are unique, right?
Brenda 00:09:05 Yes. Absolutely.
Dr. Kline 00:09:06 Yeah. So we have the generators, who are along with really the most common type, and the generator really goes through life as, you know, as a worker bee in that they, they like to be productive, like to have a purpose, and like to be committed to that purpose. Right. I kind of think of them as the little engine that could, you know, it takes them a little while to get going. It's not an instant, you know.
Dr. Kline 00:09:35 Yes. But then once they get going, man, they'll just go forever as long as they're still aligned. Right. and then manifestos are the initiators. The manifestos are the people that they ignite fires under everybody else. They truly get things done. and it's a very quick energy, but they do have to have periods of rest. They don't have the endurance that the generators do. The manifesting generators, as you are, are a combination of the two. I think in the original human design they didn't have manifesting generators, but it's well accepted that that is a type and I find it's a difference. So they have the flexibility and the manifesting powers, but some stability with the sacral. so they do have the staying power to then see those projects through. And yes, manifesting generators are the multitaskers of the world. and when people say, you know, we're not meant to multitask, well, you are if you're, if you're manifesting generator. Right?
Brenda 00:10:34 Yes, yes.
Dr. Kline 00:10:35 Yeah. Yeah. My my partner is the manifesting generator.
Dr. Kline 00:10:38 And, you know, when, when I shared with him as humans design, it was just like, oh, my gosh, I can be me. Oh I'm off, you know. And and it really again gave him that permission. Oh, there's nothing wrong with me. Okay. Got it. You know. And then there's projectors. So the projectors are the guides and projectors don't have that same level of consistent energy. so one of the keys for projectors is understanding that you're not necessarily here to be a doer all the time. you need to take things in waves and have downtime, by yourself, to be able to recharge. And then, reflectors. Reflectors really are the barometer of the community that they're in. So as the name suggests, they reflect for people, you know, what's actually going on. Not everybody is comfortable with that. but but they really, you know, they really provide us with a very penetrating, observation of the truth of what's going on. And they also can be really good could guide through that, through that feedback.
Dr. Kline 00:11:50 the reflectors have a very lightweight energy, very influenced by their environment. and the people around them. And so we really need a lot of space and nature and time alone. And, you know, while each type has its specific qualities. when we look at the makeup of their design. Anybody who has a more open design, it's a more white or undefined centers, and their design is going to have some of those qualities, of needing more time alone, needing to clear their energy more frequently, you know, and have good energy practices.
Brenda 00:12:28 So good. So are there some like famous personalities that you could liken some of these personality types with. Like for example, I know that teal swan is a reflector. Are there other. I'm just curious if you. That's a good.
Dr. Kline 00:12:45 Question. Yeah, it is not something I really deal with regularly. When I was teaching this actually in in a genomic certification program, I taught this to clinicians. And I did have examples, I think, Barack Obama is a projector, but he's a very, defined projector.
Dr. Kline 00:13:06 He has a lot of a lot of definitions chart, a lot of channels, a lot of centers to find. Sandra Bullock is a reflector. let's see, George Bush, the younger one is a generator. And I'm trying to think. Oh, some of the famous musicians. yeah. I'm I'm blanking on.
Brenda 00:13:32 If it comes.
Dr. Kline 00:13:32 Up.
Brenda 00:13:32 If it comes up in our conversation, you can feel free to bring that. I love that because you sort of get a picture of, of oh, it's that personality kind of. And of course again, every human is unique. And so we don't want to put anybody into boxes, but it just kind of gives you an idea. I'm curious, what type are you?
Dr. Kline 00:13:52 I'm a projector.
Brenda 00:13:54 Okay, I wondered, I wonder.
Dr. Kline 00:13:55 I'm a projector. And like you when I. I think it was probably 15 years ago that I was introduced to it. And when I was introduced to it, it was just like, oh, that's me. Oh thank God.
Dr. Kline 00:14:09 Oh, okay. I can let go of all this, right? yeah. It was completely transformative. It was that moment of self recognition. that and projectors have to be invited in, in, you know, in order to participate. And so recognition is one of the thorns in our side as well is the, the gift. And, Yeah. So it was it was a huge turning point for me.
Brenda 00:14:36 That's so good. That's so good. I wondered because, I feel a certain thing in my body when I'm interacting and communicating with the projector. There's, there's there's like just a a slight more focus to my energy in my sacral. I can just feel it. It feels like warmth or tingles. And so.
Dr. Kline 00:15:00 I love.
Brenda 00:15:00 That. Yeah.
Dr. Kline 00:15:01 We do know that that is the energetic interaction. Right. Because. No, because. Yeah. I didn't know that. You just perfectly described the energetic interaction that happens, between a manifesting generator or even a generator and and a projector.
Dr. Kline 00:15:17 because we, we provide we're very focused and very deep. And so when, when we're talking with somebody, it is an absolute 100% focus and it helps to focus your energy. And this is all unconscious. This is an energetic thing. So oh my gosh that's so beautiful.
Brenda 00:15:34 That's very cool. Yeah. Very cool. How can somebody go about like how do you recommend people go about determining what is their human design type? Do you have a way that you recommend?
Dr. Kline 00:15:48 Yeah, I mean, there's lots of free, you know, software out there. I have one on my website. You know, there's several places you can get a free, you know, graphic and description of your design. And so you can at least learn some of the terms that you are. To me, that is a starting point. But as with everything you know that we do, information is only the starting point. And to me, you know, everybody goes at a different pace. But then beyond that, you can you can look at books, you know, you can, you know, my, my mentor, Chetan Parkin, I think, has a wonderful series of books.
Dr. Kline 00:16:30 Obviously, there are other people. Karen Curry has some wonderful books. So there's some great, you know, people at the top of, of human design that you can learn from. And then working with somebody to dive deeper into how do you integrate all these parts? I find that that's the hardest challenge is to how do I live this? You can only live by doing. And then periodically I find it helpful to have a guide to say, oh, that's, that's that's the missing piece. Right. Or this is how you can do that. So I'd say start with your free your free chart and then dive in as fast and as deep as you want to go from there, depending on how you best learn.
Brenda 00:17:12 Oh I love that answer. I love that, you know, I think it's so interesting when we start digging into whether it's astrology or human design, how you can find little pieces and parts that sort of ring true. And then also sometimes you'll find those parts that maybe you think, well, I don't know if I feel that way about myself.
Brenda 00:17:32 And, when you're talking about the open and closed, when I first looked at the human design chart, I was like, this looks like a very weird cello body. I don't understand what it is. Can you?
Dr. Kline 00:17:47 I'm a cellist, so I love that analogy.
Brenda 00:17:52 Of course you're a cellist. I used to be a choir director. I was a choral music educator for 26 years. So I tend to attract a lot of musicians, and it's completely subconscious. That is.
Dr. Kline 00:18:05 So interesting.
Brenda 00:18:06 Of course you're.
Dr. Kline 00:18:06 Jealous. Yeah. Yeah. So the, you know, the body graph, which is which is what what we primarily go by the full chart is fascinating because you can see the etching and the astrology, you know, all in it, but the body graph is really what we're talking about. And that is the imprint of the neutrino stream at the time of birth, plus three months before birth. So there's two calculations. There's the conscious and then then the unconscious. And how they activate the gates then determines the definition in your chart, which is what are the colored areas and centers are one of the, you know, best ways to sort of experiment with your design.
Dr. Kline 00:18:48 I think it's fairly, easy. There's nine centers, and depending on whether that center is defined, which means it's fairly active, consistently in your, in your energy field or whether it's undefined, which means you're really open to interacting and gathering wisdom for all from all your different interactions, you know, that can really help you in a very quick way. Say, where am I in balance? Where am I out of balance? Where am I taking on people's energy? That's not mine. and and so I find that, you know, a really good place to start once you get past the type, the profile on the authority.
Brenda 00:19:26 I love that. Are there consistent ways that you recognize that someone has taken on energy that's not yours, or can it vary.
Dr. Kline 00:19:36 It can vary. You know, there are you know, some some things that are kind of key. Key points for each each center. you know, the self center or some people call it the G center. is is one, you know, we're told you have to know who you are, where are you going, what you want and all that.
Dr. Kline 00:19:55 Well, people have that self-centered defined. Do have a very clear sense of who they are and where they're going in life. there are nuances to that. But, you know, that's that's general. So somebody who has a defined self center. If they find themselves kind of wandering and lost and really going. I don't know who I am anymore. I don't know where I'm going. That's a sign that you've gotten off center right. Now in contrast somebody has that undefined is here to play all sorts of different roles. They're an actor in the game of life. they're not here to have a consistent sense of self or a consistent Direction. It's much more dependent on who they're with, so their sense of who they are is going to be different if they're, you know, with one certain group or another group, and they're very much influenced by that.
Brenda 00:20:46 Same thing with.
Dr. Kline 00:20:47 Their life direction.
Brenda 00:20:48 Important because for the person who thinks there's something wrong with me, because I'm changing from group to group to group, that may not actually be the case.
Brenda 00:20:58 It might be how you're made.
Dr. Kline 00:21:01 Correct. And I find that, you know, especially some key points like this where our society is just, pretty rigid in saying this is how you're supposed to be. and, you know, for me, it's also helped with my parenting understanding. My child, oh, my child is going to be different. It's going to seem like a different person or my or my friend or my partner. And when they've come back from this group of people, right when they've come back from this experience, and you can look at them like, who, who, who are you? They are the same person, but they've just been immersed in this new experience and they need, you know, to integrate it. And they probably still have traces of that when they come back. So I think it'd be really helpful for both us as individuals and also in relationship because we're all in relationship.
Brenda 00:21:51 Right? And it feels like for me, if I had to sum up relationship, it's really the curriculum of how to be human like that.
Brenda 00:21:59 Absolutely. I find like so much growth happening in all of my relationships, whether it's professional or personal or family, like that's where I'm growing consistently is.
Dr. Kline 00:22:11 Is I don't think I can grow in a vacuum. Right. You know, yes, we we do our own work, but but then you don't know how it's working. You have to go out in the world and interact so that you can have mirrors and you can have interactions that help you grow. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Brenda 00:22:28 So my when I learned about human design, I just sent the link that I had to my daughter and I was like, hey, check this out. And so you need your birth place and your birth date. And it's helpful if you have birth time as well. Right?
Dr. Kline 00:22:43 Yes. if I've worked with some people who had, you know, a few hours of a window and so we'll go through and try and, you know, pinpoint it. I think if you really don't know your birth time, I will often actually send them to a astrologer who does rectification first.
Brenda 00:23:05 Tell me more about that. What is that?
Dr. Kline 00:23:08 So? So there are astrologers who do specialize in rectification so they can look at, life events based on planetary transits as well as a natal chart so they can really dive in. And I in my experience, one, we're really not not sure at all. I have found that to be really helpful.
Brenda 00:23:30 This is so important. So when I was a teacher, I spent, I think 13 or 15 years in title one schools serving immigrants and refugees. And the vast majority of refugees have one one as their birthday because people don't know.
Dr. Kline 00:23:49 Oh my.
Brenda 00:23:50 Goodness, in so many cultures in the world, they don't track birthdays in the same way we do in, in the West. And so for those people who might be listening or maybe might know somebody who has that one one date and it was just like put there by default, this astrology, you called it a rectification.
Dr. Kline 00:24:09 Rectification.
Brenda 00:24:10 Rectification.
Dr. Kline 00:24:11 This is.
Brenda 00:24:12 So cool. Thank you. I didn't even know that existed.
Dr. Kline 00:24:16 Yeah.
00:24:17 Yeah, well, this is what I love.
Dr. Kline 00:24:18 You know, there's so many different ways to approach or energetics or spirituality and I, you know, I can't do them all. There's no way. And so I love connecting with people who offer different, different ways. I love astrology, I work with astrologers, I follow astrology. I don't call myself an astrologer, you know, but it does inform what I do. And so, yeah, I think there's there's so much out there and it's good.
Brenda 00:24:45 like you, I follow astrology and I follow astrologers, and I'm aware that I'm heavily influenced and impacted by it. I don't identify as an expert in astrology.
Dr. Kline 00:24:57 I mean, in some ways, I think I don't identify as an expert in anything. I just I just say, well, you know, this is what I like to do, and I guess I do have expertise in it, but goodness, there's always more learning to do.
Brenda 00:25:10 Oh my gosh, 100%, 100%.
Brenda 00:25:13 So, when I, when my daughter discovered her human design, she felt an even bigger sense of relief than I had felt like I was like, oh my gosh, now I know myself. But she was in high school at the time or had just finished high school and was feeling really unsuccessful because by traditional standards, she was not doing the things that people wanted her to do. And when she got her human design, she felt that same sense of of like, oh my gosh, this is how I'm how I made. And it freed her to get curious around what would feel really good. And it literally changed the choices that she made. And she let herself off the hook of things that she did not want to do that were not bringing her joy so that she could find the things that are actually bringing her joy.
Dr. Kline 00:26:08 Oh, I love that. And I just want to say kudos to you as a mom. Obviously, we always want to do our best for the kids and, giving her the gift of not only saying you can be yourself, but but really giving her, tools and supporting her in utilizing those tools to follow her own path.
Dr. Kline 00:26:32 So thank you. Yeah.
Brenda 00:26:33 Thank you. I appreciate that I received that. Yeah. It was it was a really interesting journey because, you know, I come from a family of educators and education was first and foremost in everybody's mind, including mine, because I spent so many years in education. And so when her path led her in a different direction, it caused an identity shift in me. And so that took an interesting, truth telling about what is actually my identity. Is it? Does it really relate to academics and and academic success, or is there something different? And so her process actually helped me find freedom.
Dr. Kline 00:27:17 I love that. And so that's how you ended up going upon a different path. I take it.
Brenda 00:27:22 And it was kind of simultaneously. Yeah, it was sort of like, oh, well, if she's going to do that, I, I kind of have courage to do what I want to do. And we're going to go do our thing together. It, I.
Dr. Kline 00:27:33 Mean, you know what now and I oh my gosh, this is such a beautiful description of a mother daughter relationship that is healthy, and and evolving and willing to be vulnerable and strong. you know, as you both teach each other.
Brenda 00:27:52 Thank you. Yeah, we we are the Gilmore Girls in human form. Yeah. So yeah, we were, we were it was just her and me from the time she was five and she's 23. So we, we've, we've had a beautiful journey and still get together once a week just for the sake of it, of having fun.
Dr. Kline 00:28:14 Oh, wow. So is she in Portland also? Is she?
Brenda 00:28:17 She is. Yep. She's out on her own, doing big grown up stuff, managing places. And like, she's she's very successful and it's really cool to watch.
Dr. Kline 00:28:27 Wow. Wow. That that is just wonderful. Yeah. My my girls are both, they've both been introduced to their designs and their astrology and, they they use it as, as needed.
Dr. Kline 00:28:38 but I think it also has helped them embrace who they are. And I think, like so many tools, we don't live at 24 over seven. We fall back into old habits. We get off track. And what I love is it's just, oh, wait a minute, I'm off. Wait a minute. Let me go back to my, my let me go back. And it's amazing what pops out at you that you need at that moment. Right. Something you didn't. Oh I didn't see that. Oh. And it helps you go. Oh. Got it. Okay.
00:29:11 Yeah.
Dr. Kline 00:29:12 Let me get back on track.
Brenda 00:29:13 I love that I love that you're bringing up the idea that we don't have to be perfect all the time. Oh, gosh. And and I think that's so forgotten.
00:29:23 In our society.
Brenda 00:29:24 Like, we sort of think, I'm never going to get off course, I'm never going to get off track. But the truth is, for me, I'm getting back on track every day.
Brenda 00:29:32 Like that's my day is to come back to center every day again and again and again.
Dr. Kline 00:29:37 It's reset resilience. Right. And that is something that I work with on, you know, all all levels. And I think one of the challenges sometimes in the spiritual world is that we think, okay, I'm here for these lessons and I this is how I'm designed and I need to get it right. And I'm, you know, and and there there is a perfectionism that can be, taken from that. And I think that that is something I really try to help people. let go. Yeah. Because it does us all a disservice. We are each here on a spiritual journey. Our soul has lessons, and I don't care whether you follow your design to the tee, you're still going to have lessons that you are here to learn. So it's not like it guarantees you a, you know, happy, pleasant, you know, free, free life. it just helps you navigate in a way that is more authentic to you.
Dr. Kline 00:30:42 and that is, I think, one of my biggest hopes that people take away, is that just be ourselves and whatever it is, we need to support us in that process. You know.
Brenda 00:30:55 I really love that approach, and I love that you named that. There can be a perfectionistic approach to the healing and spiritual work that people do. I often say to my clients, let's not high achieve our healing.
Dr. Kline 00:31:09 Yes. Oh, I love that. Oh yeah. Oh my goodness, that's beautiful. Oh, yeah.
Brenda 00:31:15 Well, I teach what I most need to know. So, you know, I was the original high achiever. And so when I came into healing work, I was like, well, if a little is good, a ton must be even better. And and then I looked at like there was so far out of balance.
Dr. Kline 00:31:31 And okay, this is what I'm supposed to do. Okay? I'm, I'm, I'm going to do that. And for me, you know, coming from, from medicine, you know, where there has to be a certain amount of perfection right there.
Dr. Kline 00:31:42 There is not a lot of room for error. And then going into the energetic work and then the more spiritual work, that was the hard transition. It felt like home. And yet it was a hard transition to let go of. But how do I prove that? How do I verify that? How do I validate that?
Brenda 00:32:00 Right. So I work with a lot of physicians and physician assistants and nurse practitioners. And it the thing I hear is I want to step into my gifts. Yeah. And so can you talk a little bit about what that transition was like for you stepping outside of traditional medicine, whether it was clinical or were you a clinical clinician or hospitalist?
Dr. Kline 00:32:23 No, I was an ob gyn physician for 15 years. Yeah. Yeah. And I just somewhere along the way, I was like, I'm I missed it and exit. I'm I'm not supposed to be here. Like, there was just a knowing and I couldn't figure out how to get back on track. So I had a shoulder injury, you know, which was the universe's.
Dr. Kline 00:32:42 I had missed all the nudges, all the red flags. So that was my two by four. And I got into the energy medicine because I was trying to do my own healing. I knew I needed to do something different. and that was an example of following my intuition. And I just, you know, my then husband said you're crazy. I said, no, I don't care. This is a two year program I'm enrolling. I'm doing this. I don't care. and again, it was this coming home like, oh, oh, this feels so wonderful. And yet. Oh, the curriculum. Okay. The healing. I have to get this right, you know, and and I have to be the best in the class, you know? and. Well, I think there is a certain part of that is my design, you know, but but it's learning to do that with humility and, less than perfection. And it's still an ongoing, journey.
Brenda 00:33:44 Oh, absolutely. I, I identify as a recovering perfectionist because as a musician, and I you might relate to this as a musician.
Brenda 00:33:54 There's no place for blood work. It has to be perfect. And so I, I was proudly a perfectionist for decades until I realized the cost it was having on my relationships, my health, my self-concept, and my inner dialogue. And then I realized, oh, yes, I just I'm going to need to do this differently?
Dr. Kline 00:34:17 Yeah. I'm curious. Did you find that as you started, you know, letting go some of that, giving yourself permission, did you find it easier to open up and receive help from others?
Brenda 00:34:31 Yes. There was a direct correlation because in my in the height of my perfectionism, I had to do it all, carry it all, ideate it all, execute it all, because it all had to be done perfectly and no one could do it as well.
Dr. Kline 00:34:45 As I could. Yeah yeah yeah yeah, absolutely.
Brenda 00:34:54 So as you were coming into this, this work, this energetic, spiritual work, and you're leaving behind a whole career of very data driven, analytical, science based work.
Brenda 00:35:11 I know that there's a ton of science in the human design, and so I don't want to leave the idea.
Dr. Kline 00:35:15 Yes or no? And I answer that. As a as a scientist. Yes I have.
Brenda 00:35:20 Yeah. So how did you navigate going from something very, very structured to something with a little bit more flow and less structure?
Dr. Kline 00:35:33 I think two things. One, my work as an OBGYN was actually very intuitive. I have been a midwife. I have done this in multiple lifetimes. So there was a huge element of intuitive knowing in that work, even though I don't think I consciously acknowledge it. But so I'd already be working in that field. And then when I left and I was out of work for about two years to heal my shoulder and then opened up a holistic women's health practice. And so I combined the two, the energy medicine and the the women's health. I wasn't doing obstetrics, but more just the just the regular women's health. and then, you know, that's how we got into DNA, and that's how I got into human design.
Dr. Kline 00:36:20 So to me, I don't look at as so much a well, this is spiritual. This is science. It's more how do I help people get the answers that they need to move forward in a life in a way that makes sense. And so I'm just looking for answers, and I'm certainly guided by the universe, what presents itself to me and my own intuition. and I try to be open, but also be discerning, using my own barometer. And it doesn't mean things are right or wrong. It's just what feels right for me to use. Right? What resonates? and so it's still a work in progress to integrate them as all equal ways of helping people to heal. Okay. and sometimes, you know, the science is really something that where they really need that, that support. Sometimes it's more in the energetics of spirituality. And I think part of what I love about speaking to people like you and you know, others to to help bridge those divides that are very artificial.
Brenda 00:37:29 They are they are very artificial.
Brenda 00:37:32 I found that to so coming from education, everything is very data based. I don't know if people know how data driven education is, but it's a lot of tracking and analyzing and assessing and formative assessments and summative assessments. And and there's this whole behind the scenes world that's happening in education that is only data. And so I came from this world of having to prove everything and justify everything, like, you know, for example, even if we wanted to refer someone for additional support for a learning challenge, it would take up to five months of data collection. And, you know, really. Collecting that data and then assessing it and then, you know, picking it apart and all the things. And so as I moved from that work into this work, and it was a more gradual process because I was part time in this work as I was full time in education. So it was it was kind of like braiding. And then I took the full leap in 2022 and went full time in this work only, and left that work behind.
Brenda 00:38:43 And it was at that point I was realizing, oh, I'm justifying I'm using the science and the data to justify. And that energy is very different from coming in with a I know this to be true energy. Yes.
Dr. Kline 00:38:59 Yes, yes. So how did you make that switch?
Brenda 00:39:03 It was an awareness of the reason that I was saying sharing the science. So when I became aware, I'm sharing this to justify, to convince you. Then I was like, oh wait, that's actually not what I want to do. I don't want to convert anybody. I want to preach to the converted.
Dr. Kline 00:39:25 And exactly. I extend the invitation and if it resonates, I welcome you in. If it doesn't, that is okay. And, yeah, I'm totally in agreement with you that there is no making people, do anything, especially in this work.
Brenda 00:39:43 That's absolutely true. I want to make sure that I ask you about how people can connect with you. How do they find you? And I know you also have a gift for us.
Dr. Kline 00:39:52 I do. Yes. So the best way to find me is on my website, which is Bobby Klein, MD. Com and that's Bobby Klein, MD. Com. You can get a free human design report. You can just run your chart for free, but you can also get a free report that really gives you a lot of information about the basics, about your design. And I think that's a great place to start.
Brenda 00:40:16 Amazing. Go start there. Especially if you've never done your human design. Or if you want your human design chart to more reflect this conversation between Doctor Klein and me. Go grab that. It's a free resource and get connected. And it. It really has created a sense of peace for me, about me. And so I hope that it can do the same for everyone.
Dr. Kline 00:40:41 Okay. Yeah. Me too. That is why I do this. Yeah. That's so powerful.
Brenda 00:40:46 I have one last super random, perhaps weird question. I have heard from one person that you could do human design on your business.
Dr. Kline 00:40:55 Oh, yes. Absolutely.
Brenda 00:40:57 Can we talk about that for a second?
Dr. Kline 00:40:58 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Brenda 00:40:59 I actually one of the apps I downloaded, what my business is, Human Design, was, and it was fascinating to see the differences between how my business functioned and how I function.
Dr. Kline 00:41:10 Yes. So you can do it for your business and for people who are really solopreneurs, who don't have an incorporated business. You use your individual design, but if you do have an incorporated business or an official business, then just look at what is the date that you incorporated it, and then you run that for for the design. And that is the design of your business. So you can read it. In essence, you know, as you read yourself. I mean, if I'm looking at business, there are things I interpret a little differently. I look things a little bit differently. but it gives you a good sense of how your business is designed to run. Now, when you're a solopreneur, you're often one and the same.
Dr. Kline 00:41:51 And so it can feel like a merging of the energies that it does have its own distinct energy. And so what can do is same thing as as when you look at a relationship chart, you look at your individual chart. Understand that, look at your, you know, design of your business and understand that, and then look at how they come together to understand where our unique challenges and gifts, from that interaction.
Brenda 00:42:18 That's so good. Fascinating.
Dr. Kline 00:42:20 Yeah.
Brenda 00:42:21 Yeah. Fascinating. Okay. So you can go get your human design, go get your business as human design. And then Doctor Klein can help you merge the two. Amazing. Thank you so much for being here today.
Dr. Kline 00:42:32 Oh thank you so much. It's been a wonderful conversation. It has been talk to you all day.
Brenda 00:42:36 I know it feels really, really easy and good. Is there anything else that you think our listeners should know before we close?
Dr. Kline 00:42:44 I just think just, you know, it's all about being yourself, living your own path and whatever supports you need along the way that resonate with you.
Dr. Kline 00:42:56 That's where you go. Ooh.
Brenda 00:42:58 Words to live by right there. Thank you so much.
Dr. Kline 00:43:04 Thank you so much, Brenda. Take care.
