Brenda 00:00:02 Welcome to your yes build life. I'm your host, Brenda Winkle, educator, healer, speaker, guide and fierce advocate for your. Yes, I help sensitive and successful men and women find, reclaim and live from their full embodied. Yes. Through empowering you to understand your energetic hygiene, establish healthy boundaries and heal your nervous system. You'll be able to create your yes filled life and move through your days with more freedom, more ease, and more joy. You'll hear inspiring stories of people who found their full bodied, yes thought leaders who pursued their own dreams and are living life on their terms, and learn new ways to find the courage, joy, ease and freedom to more fully step into your yes filled life. Say no to the good so you can say yes to the great. Join me on this journey to discover your yes filled life. Whether you're looking to break free from the golden handcuffs. Start a new business, find your dream job or simply live with more intention and mindfulness. I've got you covered.
Brenda 00:01:15 Let's explore the possibilities together and make your dreams a reality. Ready? Let's do this. Let's get you to your yes filled life. Well. Hello, Lisette. Thank you for being here.
Lisset 00:01:29 Oh, thank you so much for having me, Brenda. I'm excited to be here.
Brenda 00:01:32 Oh, I'm excited for this conversation. So you came highly recommended. And also we had met briefly, I think, at one of the power events, the Portland, Oregon Women's Entrepreneurial Roundtable. Yes. And I just I'm so excited to see where this is going to go today. And I want to kick it off with one question, which is what is one thing you either did or did not do that has led you to your yes. Filled life.
Lisset 00:02:02 The I can sum it down to one moment and I was sitting in a meditation during the pandemic very early on and in my meditation all I heard was quit the rat race and go on a honeymoon. And I was like, that's an interesting call. And so I came out of my meditation and I turned to my wife.
Lisset 00:02:26 We had just eloped. And I said, well, I just got a little message from the voice inside. I like to call it my higher self. The little voice inside that said, quit the rat race and go on a honeymoon. And she goes, let's go. And so we put everything in storage. we moved, we packed up my truck. It was we were just going to take, two months, and then it turned into a six month cross-country honeymoon. We did 30 states, and we actually never moved back to LA. It was. It was the catalyst that I didn't know was going to lead to so many other things. It was just like it was a download. It was the next step. And my the entire trajectory of my life changed from there.
Brenda 00:03:10 Oh my gosh, this is amazing. There's so many things that that I just want to unpack and learn more about. Yeah. So I had a download about four years ago that I needed to go live in Airbnbs, but I ignored it.
Brenda 00:03:24 Okay. And and I just was like, there's 101 reasons why that's a terrible idea. But in June of 2024, I, I put everything in storage and I just went for it. And so for five months I just traveled around the country and it was amazing. One of the best experiences I've ever had. And there's a part of me that kind of wants to do it again.
Lisset 00:03:46 Yeah. Follow that, follow that.
Brenda 00:03:49 Yeah. Oh my gosh. So you were in LA. Went all over the United States, ended up in Portland. And I'm curious for me when I'm making decisions like this. If I if I make the decisions from my mind, from my cognitive mind, I can come up with broken lists and lots of reasons why to do things. And then I make terrible mistakes. But when I make decisions that are like heart lead where it just feels right in my body, I never regret it. Even if it doesn't make sense, even if it looks scary. I'm wondering, can you talk a little bit about the things that maybe you experienced or learned in your journey of your honeymoon?
Lisset 00:04:31 Absolutely.
Lisset 00:04:32 So there's a major lesson that my wife had shared with me once, and I believe I was living by it. I just didn't have the wording for it. And the wording is being obedient to spirit. And I have had that moment a few times where everything got quiet and an answer came through and my logical mind goes ba ba ba. But I don't know how I'm going to do that. And you know, and I always remember the how is not your business when spirit source hires self. I like the in my lineage we call it the higher self. The part of you that knows what's best for you that you can listen to or not. And when I get that call from spirit, I know the how is not my business and my next job is just to take the step, you know, take the step and the bridge will be built.
Brenda 00:05:25 Yes, yes, that's how I live as well. I haven't always lived this way. I lived very conventionally by what society deemed normal. you know, checking off the boxes of of all the things that people say you quote unquote, should do.
Brenda 00:05:41 And then it's been a gradual unlearning of everything society has taught me over the last 15 years to find me in a place where I feel like I'm living free. Was it always easy for you to access that voice inside, or is that something you learned to do?
Lisset 00:05:58 Oh, that's something that I absolutely developed like. And I will say, I think the voice has always been there, and the voice will whisper until it has to scream. And I just, I think if there's anything my refinement has come around, it's listening to it when it's a whisper, because there's been many a times it's said, go do this. And I'm like, ba ba ba ba. And I got backed up and I got in my head and I'm like, I don't know how to do that. And I had all these limitations, all of these limiting beliefs that, well, you're not good enough. You've never done that before. Who do you think you are? You're not smart enough. And these things would come up and paralyze me.
Lisset 00:06:37 And honestly, it was the work that I that I served, the work that I do that helped me unlock and unblock all of those things that were essentially lies, the lies of of the unconscious mind, the lies of society, the lies of you can't do that if you're a woman or you know you've never done that. Your parents are never entrepreneurs. Who do you think you are? And as all of those lies fell away and I'm like, I could do whatever I want. I don't know if we can cuss so you can cuss. Okay, cool. Like I can do whatever the fuck I want. And when I really started to own that within myself, my whole life changed. And when I realized that anything, truly anything is possible. It's like it's all over my branding. Like limitless possibilities. When I, I always knew it was possible, but when it got deep down in my unconscious mind that anything truly is possible. I stopped censoring myself and I stopped making the hell my business because it's that linear thinking, you know? It's just like there's a great book called ten X is easier than two x.
Brenda 00:07:44 I love that.
Lisset 00:07:44 Book. Oh yeah, I love it when you try to two x your brain goes, well, we'll double our efforts. But when you go to ten x a10x. Your brain goes out. I'm out. I don't know what to do. So I have to surrender to something bigger than me.
Brenda 00:07:59 Yes. Oh, I love so much of what you said. starting with the listening to the voice. When it's a whisper before it's a scream. That's something I had to learn because I kept finding myself in these situations where it's like the voice is screaming, and so is the rest of my life. Yeah. And then when I started to learn to listen to the whispers, I had to unpack a lot of people pleasing. because the whispers were telling me to do things that were directly opposite of everything that the people that I was surrounded with wanted me to do. And so there was a whole unlearning, not only of society, but of like, who I was and how I was within each of my relationships.
Brenda 00:08:43 Because if you were a people pleaser and then you're not a people pleaser there, there's a bridge that needs to be built. in relationship there. Yeah, I loved that that you highlighted that. And also you said something that resonated with me. And and I'm going to say it in my own words, which is you do the work that you needed. And I feel that way about my work, like I teach what I most needed to know.
Lisset 00:09:11 Yes.
Brenda 00:09:12 Tell us, tell us all the things about your work.
Lisset 00:09:15 Yeah. So, you know, I like to. My way to summarize it is I'm an emotional ninja. And and despite the fact that that's very unconventional. It's the most accurate description of I help get into people's subconscious mind. And you don't even know that it's happening in a very loving way. And we find the culprit. We find the big bad monster inside that's keeping you the saboteur inside, that's keeping you from living to your your full potential and your unconscious mind. Its job is to make you right.
Lisset 00:09:51 And a job is to to keep you alive. And it has done that. It's like if you're listening to this, your unconscious mind has done its job. You're alive. You have a pulse. And it needs to make you right. And how is it making you right? It's grabbing. It's grabbing the information. And it's perceiving and projecting out into your reality that which you believe at the deepest level. Now, if at the deepest level, you believe I'm not good enough, or the world is unsafe or people are out to get me, your unconscious mind's job is to grab that data out of the 2 million bits of information that are coming at us in every moment. It grabs 126 bits that reaffirm what we already believe. And so I get deep inside people's unconscious mind in their psyche, and we find the belief that's being projected outward. Is it that you don't feel worthy? Is it that you don't feel lovable? You know? Because if that is what's running the projection, If that's what's running the story, then that's what you're looking at.
Lisset 00:10:52 And when we find that thing and we remove it because we can remove it, we can release it. And that's not just talk like I've done this hundreds of times of going in and finding the problem, releasing it, and then the person no longer believing that anymore.
Brenda 00:11:07 That's right. So this is very similar to the work that I do in Theta healing, where you go in and you shift those beliefs by finding the root cause. And so many times it's, I'm unlovable, I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough. And I mean, there's a couple other variations, but yeah, really, that's what it comes down to.
Lisset 00:11:24 And when we, you know this, when we find it, when we find the one because everyone's is a different flavor. It's, there's the same big guys right there, the same big old bad guys. But it really matters how you say it to yourself. That's right. That's the neuro linguistic aspect of it. How do you speak to yourself? Because your words are spells, the words you say and the words that you say just to yourself are in a way even more powerful.
Lisset 00:11:50 And if you haven't unpacked what those are and looked at them and seeing, oh my gosh, this is the thing that's blocking me. It's for me. This has been the most powerful work. I've sat in medicine for two weeks in Peru with no, you know, crying in my in my little hammock for all alone. And I've had that experience and, you know, I've done talk therapy and I've done several modalities, somatic body work. All of these things are beautiful and they're powerful and they help you release. And I have just found that the work that I do allows you to have a conscious experience of it, you know, and have and have an awareness. And we do it through neuro linguistic programming. We do through a clinical process called mental emotional release. And I do it energetically through a practice called mana, which is comes from a Hawaiian lineage of shamanic energy work and we throw that all in combined to do a healing, a release on a spiritual, mental and emotional level. Ancestral and everything.
Brenda 00:12:56 That's beautiful. And you know, you're pointing to something here that's really subtle but important, which is that the beliefs that we have can be really sneaky. And so, like, if you were to say to somebody, I think you might not believe you're worthy. Most of us would say, no, I don't believe that. I'm fine. I'm totally worthy. But then when we dig deeper, if you change just how you say it a lot of times, then you can get a yes. So we do like a lot of muscle testing in my work, saying like, what does the body believe to be true about this statement and digging for beliefs because they're so sneaky.
Lisset 00:13:38 They are, they are, they're little rascals. And and they'll smash your life when you're not looking. You know, it's like, oh no, I, I believe I'm worthy or the, you know, the like affirmations. When you try to do an affirmation, you're like, you could tell yourself you're worthy until you're blue in the face.
Lisset 00:13:57 But if something happened when you were four years old and your dad told you, you're not an artist because the drawing wasn't good enough or something, and and you've carried that into your adulthood, your life has reflected that back to you. And that's how we know when it's a greater problem, when it's a root problem, when your life reflects it to you over and over and over again. So you get it. You do this work. I know I'm preaching the choir.
Brenda 00:14:23 Yeah, yeah. So for somebody who's like, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. My outward reality is, is impacting my beliefs and my beliefs are impacting my reality. What would be some of the typical. And I know that this is a huge question, but what are some typical signs that somebody might have a belief that is getting in their way.
Lisset 00:14:48 So I like to say we in life if you're trying to create something you either have a baggage problem or an action problem okay. You either know what in the we live in the information age.
Lisset 00:15:01 Information is cheap. How to do something is very it's easy to find if you know what to do. And you're taking action and nothing's coming out of it. Now, we know that you have a baggage problem, because the baggage will not let you do the action to completion. The baggage will stop you. It's like I know what to do. I just won't do it. I have such a fear of failure. I have the biggest fear of failure that I can't even take the first step toward that goal. Now that's baggage. So I like to say, if if you're trying to do the action, you know, the action to do and you just can't get out of there, it's like driving with the emergency brake on, it's going to fuck up the entire system. Absolutely. That's how we know it's a baggage problem. And I'd like to tell people like, you got a baggage problem on your person, you know, like, we can do that. The action afterwards becomes so easy and the action is part of the change you've got.
Lisset 00:15:58 You have to take action afterwards. If you if you don't take action, it's easy to slide back. You get to validate your old story. You see, that's why I'm not worthy. Or if someone's like, I've tried everything and nothing works and I'm like, okay, well then don't come to me because you have. You tried everything and nothing works. You're so committed to that belief. There's not a practitioner on earth that can help you. Are you ready to let go of that belief? Because once we let go of that one, if you if you will, take your claws off of that belief, now we can get somewhere. And so if someone says, I've tried everything and I'm fed up and I want to let it go, I'm like, great that I'm your practitioner.
Brenda 00:16:40 I love this. So I say something similar. You know, when it comes to theta healing or the inner child work through ifs, somatic coaching, if somebody is like, you know, I just don't think this is going to work and I'm going to say, then it's not it won't work.
Brenda 00:16:53 If you don't think it's going to work, it will not work. And you know, when when we have those people, I can even I've even muscle tested it. So I muscle test everything so that we make sure we've shifted the beliefs. Not because necessarily I want to know because I believe in my work, but I want my client to know we've actually shifted this belief. And then they come in two months later and the belief is back. I'm like, that's not magic. You are reinforcing that belief through behaviors and seeking out evidence that your belief is true.
Lisset 00:17:24 Yeah, yeah, we have to. One of the things I love about the work that I do, and why it felt such like such a complete, a complete cycle, is that when I let that that problem go, it's not that it's never going to come back. It's. Are you upcycling with it? Right. Like, I had a client come to me because he was having trouble making music. And when he came to me, he was complete.
Lisset 00:17:53 Writer's block comes to me. We do release work, and he's like, oh, my God, I feel like I finally feel like I'm enough. He's like, Will I feel like this forever? And I was like, well, we'll see, because it's one thing. I go. Do you feel inspired to make music? He goes, I can't put my guitar down like it's so great. And I go, awesome. There might be a day that you get invited to the Met Gala, and you have to pick an outfit, and you might feel not good enough that day. But isn't that a better place to have that problem? And I was like, yeah. Are we cycling up? If we're cycling up, we're going to like. Life is not linear. It's cyclical. You're going to face the same problem again. But let's face it on a new level. You know, the first time I ever did this work within myself, I had a, something that probably a lot of practitioners deal with because I know I've dealt with them, is like, I'm helping people and but if I'm helping people, I shouldn't make money.
Lisset 00:18:51 And it was like this, like, I had trouble asking for money to help people. And when I let that shit go, because I did let it go, I was like, no, I deserve that. I'm changing someone's the trajectory of their life. I have no problem asking for that. My income, like hit a number I never seen before. And when I hit that, when I was like, oh, this is my new this is my new low, a new set of issues came up because I was like, well, now I want to hit a new. Now I want to go even bigger. And it's like new level, new devil.
Brenda 00:19:22 That's right.
Lisset 00:19:23 We get to explore it, but I prefer to hit it again while I'm cycling up. I rather have a seven figure problem than what I used to have as a six figure problem. Like that's a fun problem to solve. You know, not knowing, not knowing how to pay your rent. That's not fun. That used to be my problem.
Lisset 00:19:40 And now it's not my problem anymore. So can we break through the not good enough here to the next level? Because it's. You're bound to face something. It's like it's called a core wound for a reason. It's almost like. It's almost like it's your life. It's your life journey. But you can get beyond it and break beyond it and let your life get bigger and bigger. So for me, it's like, how big can we can we get? My clients never come back to me for the same problem. And that's a blessing. Yeah. You know, I've had people who couldn't meet the, the a partner or they had limiting beliefs around, oh, there's no good men or, you know, all men are trash or whatever, you name it. I've heard it. And we let go of the baggage and they meet someone. They're not going to come. They're not going to come back to me for a relationship. They've already solved that problem. But career might kick up.
Lisset 00:20:30 And then we want to talk about that. I love that they don't come to me for the same problem. That means I'm doing my job.
Brenda 00:20:36 That's right. That's right. I always say, you know, in healing work, the hope is that eventually they don't need you.
Lisset 00:20:41 Yes, 100%. Yeah. I prefer a catch and release, honestly. You know.
Brenda 00:20:47 Totally. Totally. So tell us more. So we know about the the neuro linguistic work that you do, the hypnosis and the subtle ways you can work with language and different things. Tell us more about the shamanic. The Hawaiian shamanic work?
Lisset 00:21:01 Yeah, absolutely. So it comes from a 120 generation unbroken lineage. It has been passed on word of mouth for ages, and there was a time up until like around 1980, like 1979, 1980. It was colonialism. Right. Happens. And it became illegal to pass on the lineage to to talk anything about the old ways. Right. They were they were making everyone Christian at the time.
Lisset 00:21:35 And so it started to fade out of existence and, well, you know, not not in a common way. It had to go fully underground. And as it came back, like there were people who held on to the lineage and passed it on, it got passed on to my teachers and my teacher and his father, and it came down to me, and it is for me. It is magic. It's Hogwarts. I go to Hawaii twice a year, and we get to bend space and time and move things. when I say we let things go on an energetic level, like I've had people go, I'm like, well, what was the problem again? And they can't remember what their problem was. And that's.
Brenda 00:22:23 I.
Lisset 00:22:23 Love that. That's my favorite thing to do. So with through the work it has been preserved. It's been cared for. It is something that through the years I've been in it about eight years. I started teaching recently. So I teach here in Portland. an intro to this work.
Lisset 00:22:38 It's very much for me. It's something very sacred. And it is the path. Like it's my path that I have found that serves me in my connection to my to source, to spirit, and getting to support people and letting go of whatever it is that's ailing them. Because sometimes it doesn't belong to you, you know, it's not. It's something that you got from your, you know, it's generational baggage. It could be, you know.
Brenda 00:23:12 Things, life baggage or.
Lisset 00:23:13 Past life baggage, energies, energies that you picked along, picked up along the way. You were in a really low place. You went to a low place and something might have attached to you. So there's that too. So it gets it gets really deep and weird that.
Brenda 00:23:29 The deep and weird.
Lisset 00:23:33 And and so people come to me for the really weird stuff. You know, like, I feel like I have an entity attached to me and I'm like, I got you. You know, that's the kind of stuff that I light up for my.
Lisset 00:23:44 My wife laughs at how much of a geek I am when it comes to doing the really woo stuff, like, you know, the the witch doctor stuff they call it. Oh, I love.
Brenda 00:23:54 That, I love that. So I was, I had to drop in last week. I really struggled with the word woo. Yeah, I've struggled with it for a long time because I was like, what do you mean? It's reality? Like, this is energy is everything. I don't know why you call it woo. And finally last week I was I don't know why it's taken me this many years, but I finally had the realization that people don't want to be tricked. They don't want to be taken advantage of. They want something they can believe in, something that is real. Yeah. And I think it comes from that fear of being tricked, You know, like the proverbial Wizard of Oz kind of a thing. And so I'm, I'm still in my process of unpacking the word woo because I love all the things.
Brenda 00:24:45 Woo. To me that represents everything energetic everything spiritual. And to other people it represents like something that they want to push away. So for the listener that's listening that's going okay. You're pushing every single edge that I have right now.
Lisset 00:25:01 Yes.
Brenda 00:25:02 How would you describe the the work that we do. Because we do different work but it's also very similar. Very similar. How would how do you describe it.
Lisset 00:25:13 So first of all I, I think we're all what we can agree on is we are lightworkers right. We, we work with the light. We work in the light. And when I think of the word woo, for me it bridges a gap. It's just like, hey, we're just kids. Let's get honest about it. What I do is not conventional in any way, shape or form. It's not something that there are. There's not scientific studies, you know, showing like studying magic. And in fact, there's a lot of blocking to that kind of that kind of research.
Lisset 00:25:54 You know, there's there's proof that prayer works, but they won't study it, you know, so, so, so there's, there can be legitimacy brought to this. And yet there's such a divide, you know, with science moving into the spiritual, it's just like, no, we're two different things. And for me, it's like, I don't have to see the air to know that I'm breathing it. I don't have to know how electricity works to make my sweat. I don't have to believe in the light switch that electricity is going to work. It just works. And when it comes to the work that I've done, you and I know this, the conviction in what we do is above everything is above anything. People come to me because they know that I'm going to help them, let that shit go. Like I have no amount of baggage. Nothing you've been through. I've seen my own personal like I've. I've dealt with my own trauma, capital T trauma. So is my partner.
Lisset 00:27:00 So I have hundreds of my clients been through some of the worst that people go through. And they've overcome it and fully live rich, full lives. And so I know that what I do works because I've got evidence. And if you want to play in the realm of of evidence based procedures, I'll get you there.
Brenda 00:27:25 I love that. Okay. I'm adopting that for myself, if that's Yeah. There's also a journalist that I met. She works for the BBC and her name is Melissa Hogan, and she is a highly sensitive person, and she is interviewing scientists around the world who are doing research in sensitivity and brain science to understand a little corner of this world. And so, just adding to what you're saying, there is a growing population of people who want to understand the why. And part of it, for me and I, I'm curious to see what you think. Was that part of it for me comes down to faith. Like just having the faith that I'm going to trust myself, my own inner knowing that it's guided me to this person, whether that's you or me or whoever.
Brenda 00:28:21 There's something that I feel like we know in ourselves. We feel it as truth. What do you what do you think about that?
Lisset 00:28:28 100%. We know the truth by the way it feels. And I have felt that time and time again. I, I know I'm not everyone's practitioner. I know I'm not everyone's practitioner. But I have absolute faith that those who I'm meant to serve will, will come to me. I've, you know, I've had I'm currently in a doctoral program, and I'm really excited to get those letters in front of my name, just to add the legitimacy to it. And guess what? I'm going to be doing this, you know, then I'll officially be a witch doctor. You know, and I love, love, love what I do. And I understand that there is a level of respect and prestige to those who have done this studying. And and I have so much faith in my path, my lineage, the work that I do. I've I've sat in many medicines and by no means do I do.
Lisset 00:29:23 I think I've experienced everything. I sit here with a With a very open mind that at any moment I expect miracles. I expect to be have my mind blown as much as possible. So I'm open to that. And when I meet a practitioner, I want them to have unwavering faith.
Brenda 00:29:43 That's right. That's right. And I feel that on a cellular level, I'm just letting it land for a second. Yeah. And so there's something here. I was saying to Joe Figueras, who we both know, I was saying to her that it takes a lot for me to find a practitioner that's big enough to hold me. Yes. And what you're speaking to there is that absolute, resolute belief that what I'm doing works.
Lisset 00:30:14 Yes.
Brenda 00:30:15 How did you come to believe so fully in, in your own work. Was it like practice. Was it seeing the evidence build up over time? How did that work for you?
Lisset 00:30:24 You know, there's something in my work called Conveyancers. Okay? And everyone has a convincer threshold.
Lisset 00:30:31 Okay? Some people are. All I need to see is see it once and I believe it. Right. And then there's people that are three time conveyancers like once I once you show me proficiency three times, I will I will believe it then. And there are infinite conveyancers people that will not believe it. They'll watch it happen over and over and over and go. We'll see if it happens today. You know, and I cannot say exactly where I, where I am. I will say the first time I experienced it for myself, the first time I was like, my practitioner checked in with me and they were like, hey, earlier today you said this. Do you believe that anymore? I'm like, no, I don't. Like, that's ridiculous. It's silly. I laughed at it. I was like, what? Me. Like, who could who would say that about themselves? And and that's the thing that blows my mind is that's how you know, it's an inside job because the things we say to ourselves, we would never let anyone say to someone we cared about 100%.
Lisset 00:31:34 And so when we find those culprits and we release them, and we start to love ourselves fully and believe that we deserve everything that is meant for us, like the difference between the most successful person on the planet and wherever you are is they they believe they deserve it with absolute certainty. They're like, duh! This is my life. And and so I think I I've followed that path in my own work where it was like, oh, I felt it for myself. And then I did it for someone. I was like, well, well you're changed. And and I remember when I first started, I was like, I just want to get some. I, I did put out an alert. I was like, hey, I'm going to start doing this thing and I'm going to start charging $4,000 for a breakthrough session. I'm going to give five of them out for free so that I can see like just practice. And immediately my slots got filled up and people got into my on my calendar, and every single one of them had a massive change in every single one of them, either, like stopped living in poverty, started dating people that were meant for them, like the.
Lisset 00:32:44 In the same week I got two clients send me selfies with the person they got engaged to in the same week. Oh, I love that. And I'm just like, there it is. Evidence after evidence after evidence. They're just there's nothing. I don't think there's a problem that can't be solved, you know? Totally. And I just, I, I believe that in my bones. And so knowing what I know and what we know, and circling back to what we said earlier is what you believe is what's true.
Brenda 00:33:16 That's right.
Lisset 00:33:17 And so in my belief system, everyone can be helped and I can help those that want to be helped by me? I'm not everyone's practitioner. My modality is not for everyone. And I honor that. And those that are not meant to work for me, I. I give out referrals all the time.
Brenda 00:33:34 Yeah, I love this I do too, I do too. I'm like, oh, I don't think, I don't think this is a I'm not what you're looking for.
Brenda 00:33:40 I'm not your favor.
Lisset 00:33:41 Yeah.
Brenda 00:33:42 Can we go back to something that you said earlier? You said two things that really stuck out to me. One is you said words are spells, and then you were talking about affirmations, and and and I know that for myself personally, I've had to really tweak traditional affirmations because my subconscious I remember this one time I had this, this, little deck of index cards, and I had one of those little Brad attached or round ring things on this deck. It had like 15 cards to begin with, and then that wasn't working. So I added 15 more, and it took me just like 20 minutes to get through my whole deck. Reading it out loud, I put up so much resistance around every card in that deck because I was like, I am doing this. And then my subconscious was like, no, you're not, you're a liar. And it took me relearning a different technique. But and I'll talk about that if you're curious, but I want to know more about words or spells and how you teach affirmations, because there's so much out there right now around affirmations.
Lisset 00:34:47 Oh, fantastic. first off, I don't teach affirmations. I wouldn't, because if your unconscious mind doesn't believe it. It calls you a liar. Yes. If you say I'm healthy, but then pound a triple cheeseburger, you know, and add a six pack of beer. You're you're unconscious mind is like, no, you're not, you're you're not. Not even a little bit. We have to. The first step is the first step is I remove the baggage. We have to remove the baggage. And then we have to set a true north. Where are you going from here? You know, you can. You can let go of the baggage you have around money, let's say. And when when we're done in our session, you don't open your account. And now there's $1 million in there. It's like, oh, that's not how that works. That's not how that works. You let go of the baggage and then you go, wait a second. I believe I'm capable. I believe I'm capable of of making, you know, six figures this year.
Lisset 00:35:43 Let's start there. Right. And I was like, okay, you believe you're capable. Let's start there. Now we're going to do some hypnosis. Now we're going to install the beliefs of I am capable of making six figures a year. I take action every day. I take one simple action every day toward bringing in wealth and prosperity. If you can break down the affirmation or, you know, I have some hypnosis tracks which, you know, I invite anyone who's listening to this. It's on my website. I have a code for you. And the hypnosis is important because we have to get into theta, right? We have to, like, calm our mind down. We have to go deep into the place where you're no longer consciously fighting it, because that's the problem. You're trying to say something while you're consciously your conscious mind. You're wide awake and you're going, no, you're not. You're not going to do that. You said you're going to do that last year and you didn't do it last year.
Lisset 00:36:40 But if you go, this is the year I'm going to take the steps. I'm going to take one small step like, and you say it with conviction, conscious mind, unconscious alignment.
Brenda 00:36:51 That's right.
Lisset 00:36:52 We have to create that alignment before we can even start to put in affirmations.
Brenda 00:36:57 Totally. And so when you're talking about the theta state, the theta state is the place where our beliefs lie in, in the way that I was trained in theta healing. And so that's really important. I love what you're saying about affirmations. I don't teach them either, because my own experience showed me it's just a way to put up more resistance. If if there's something that I want to speak I will say something like I am becoming a woman. And then my subconscious seems to get on board with something like that, a straight affirmation. That's a no go for me.
Lisset 00:37:29 Yes. Yeah.
Brenda 00:37:30 So tell us more. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Lisset 00:37:33 No, no. That's what I was going to say with hypnosis.
Lisset 00:37:36 We got to drop you in there. We got to drop you below where there's any fight, like beyond the critical faculty. We have to get down there and install it. That's where the soil is. Fertile.
Brenda 00:37:48 That's right. Tell us the link and the code. Because you have not. I'm sorry. I don't know why I said affirmations. You have hypnosis tracks on your website.
Lisset 00:37:59 Tell us. I do, I do. So my website is Lisette. Com you'll get to see a little bit of what I do there this week. Actually, my web designer is adding the page for the Huna, the Hawaiian school that I'm I'm starting to teach intro to. So that page should be up by the time this is up. We'll see. If not, either way. Lisette King, if you go to shop, I have a hypnosis bundle. You can either get $22 off the whole bundle or just get a hypnosis track. I've got one for money, relationship, career, and physical health.
Brenda 00:38:35 That's amazing.
Lisset 00:38:36 Yeah, and they're great.
Brenda 00:38:37 Thank you.
Lisset 00:38:38 They're really awesome.
Brenda 00:38:40 So good. So let's talk more about the words as spells. Yes. Because I believe that too. Yeah. And I'll just let you take it away for sure.
Lisset 00:38:50 So words are spells and your tongue is the most powerful one there is. So I am very careful with what I say. One of the things that they taught us in Huna in Magic School is everything is designed to make you a clear channel for energy. So in the Hawaiian energy school, We become the clearest channel for energy, and there comes a point where you have to get your your words in order. And so I am very careful with what I say, because I know my unconscious mind is eavesdropping on everything I say, and everything I say is becoming a projection. It may not be a projection right in this moment, but it will be a projection eventually. And the time delay is based on how much you believe it. And so a spell to what is a spell, you know, that's there.
Lisset 00:39:51 The words. Right. We spell words. It's all all hidden. Wisdom is hidden right in our language. And I am so I use deep care not careful, just I use deep care when I speak because it matters. You know, if you're like Brittany and I, my wife Brittany, should we say this is going to be the best year of our lives, like 2025. This is going to be our year. And last year was the best year of our lives. So we're so excited to see how we get stuff right. And so we're like, this is the best year of our life. And the news cycle has been a little. You know, if any, I'm assuming I'm in safe audience here. It's been a little aggressive and scary, right? Yeah. So so what I know to be true is no matter who is in office, I am in control of my destiny. Yeah. You know, no matter who. No matter who is doing what, I am in control of my reality.
Lisset 00:40:56 And so I am so careful. Energy and energy out what I expose my mind to. I got off of my social media links. Don't work right now. I have honest feedback podcast that that is still active, but I got off of Facebook and Instagram right now because it wasn't bringing me joy like it was actually, just not feeling good. And so I deleted those accounts. Probably get back on at some point. I'm talking to a marketing expert, and it sounds like I'm going back on there eventually, but I'm not doing it with my own energy in this moment because I'm like, where do I want to be in? Do I want to operate from fear? Absolutely not. You know, do I want to or do I want to act from where I'm empowered and from just getting off of those websites and declaring, and truly, I still 100% you cannot tell me this is not going to be the best year of my life. Pandemic happened. We went on a six month honeymoon and it was fantastic.
Lisset 00:41:56 You know what? Gas prices were really cheap and it was really inexpensive to travel. And it was incredible. And it was so beautiful. It was simultaneously the worst time in some people's lives. And we created something beautiful. And so with whatever's happening in the news cycle. I go, where can I affect change? Well, I'm affecting change right now, right here on this podcast.
Brenda 00:42:19 You absolutely are. Yes. I, I second everything that you say. so 20, 20, I mean, yeah, it was a dumpster fire outwardly, but it was the year of my own personal transformation, and it was exactly the gift that I needed. I needed to slow down, to stop the hustle, to get off the hamster wheel. And I didn't know how to do it. In fact, in December of 2019, I was a choir director for 26 years, and I had done, I think, my 11th show of The Nutcracker with an opera children's chorus. And I was so exhausted, I laid down on the couch and I was too tired to lift the remote.
Brenda 00:43:00 So I just laid there and just exhaustion for two hours until my energy came back a little bit. And I remember thinking to myself, like, please, universe higher power. Like Please help me figure out a way to get off of this hamster wheel. I don't know how to get off without being thrown off. And then when the pandemic hit, everyone around me was like, please bring schools back, please start everything up. And I was like, oh my gosh, I get to stay home. It was exactly what I needed. So yes, you can make it what you want to make it 100%.
Lisset 00:43:36 We are we are so in control of our reality. And there's I'll say this. There's a reason why there's so much investment in social media and there's like a big grab, like there's, there's a it's like a tech war out there. What's happening with TikTok? It's because that app has learned how to get people's attention. And when you get people's attention and you give them the reality you want them to have, that's how that reality gets created.
Brenda 00:44:08 That's exactly right. And so they pour more energy more. And then next thing you know, their outward reality is projecting that right back to them what they feared most. So I, I'm very, very careful. And I do that. I use that word intentionally to be a creator on social media, not a consumer. Yes, because to what you said earlier about like it being an energy leak, if I do any consuming, I am depleted.
Lisset 00:44:37 Yes.
Brenda 00:44:38 And anxious and stressed. And so I'm super careful.
Lisset 00:44:42 Yeah. Yeah. It's important. And you know, for right now I don't know how long it's going to last, like. Like I said, I post for our podcast. I think that's the only place right now I have on social media. And I have I post on TikTok on occasion, and I've done my best to inspire action. And since not being on social media, I've had more connections and conversations. I talked to a friend I hadn't talked to in three years because I reached out to him like, hey, I'm getting off of social media.
Lisset 00:45:12 Do you want to connect? And we did, and it was so cut, filling. And we have been hosting community events. My wife and I have been hosting people in our home. We've had more true quality connection since getting off of social media and actually affecting people than we were when we thought we were helping people, or it was yelling into the void, which is sometimes what social media feels like.
Brenda 00:45:37 Yes. Oh, I love this. I love this. Yeah. There's so much real connection that's possible.
Lisset 00:45:43 Yeah.
Brenda 00:45:44 Oh my gosh. My mind was going somewhere when you were saying that. And I just tuned right in and now it flipped out. We'll see if it comes back. But I think that that that connection, the actual connection is such a vulnerable piece for so many people and they don't know how to build community. And in my travels this summer, and I want to hear what your travels were like, but in my travels I learned that community is there. The moment you show up for it.
Brenda 00:46:14 But you have to show up for it.
Lisset 00:46:16 You have to. Yes. Yeah. And something you said earlier really touched me was when you were laying on the couch, and there was a moment what I heard was there was a moment of surrender. You said I. Please help me, because I don't know how. And I think that is such a vulnerable moment that we have to reach before change actually occurs. The moment you, if you're like this is how we're going to do it, we're going to do it like this and we're going to do it like that, and we're going to fight, fight, fight or we're I'm going to force change. It's it's not how it works. There's a there's there's a surrender. Then there's a flow. There's a surrender and a flow and a surrender and a flow. And then you start to like surf with life. And I just think that's such a poignant moment in your journey, because you stop thinking you know how to in that moment. And I felt that with my own quit the rat race and go on a honeymoon.
Lisset 00:47:20 And I'm like, okay. And it was the beginning of everything. That's how we ended up in Portland. That's how I ended up in my home. We started our podcast. We started our own retreat company. My wife and I have a retreat company, like everything has been listening to spirit and being obedient to spirit.
Brenda 00:47:38 I love that, and that's kind of where we started. Is being obedient to spirit? Yeah. It's so impactful. My word for the year for 2025 is impact. And so I'm filtering so many of the things that I say and do through that word. Am I having an impact in a positive way on people and what's what's the impact of situations on me? Is it something I want to continue? And when I think about being obedient to spirit, it's not always convenient.
Lisset 00:48:07 Oh, no.
Brenda 00:48:08 Almost never. It very rarely makes logical sense. Like, you're not going to get it to add up on any ledger or pro con list yet. It feels so good when you finally say, okay, I'm in.
Lisset 00:48:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when you say I'm in, there's an there is an ease to it. I think the fight comes. It's always an inside job. The fight, the resistance. It comes from the inside of like. Well I don't know how. And that sounds scary or like I'm. I know we're both in that business of. Come on in. The water's fine. When you let go of that thing that you've been holding on to your whole life that like some people, some people get turned on by the suck of it all, you know? Well, like they love being. Some people love being a victim. Like, you know, some people just like, love being a victim of their own circumstance. And like, I'm not your practitioner. I'm not your person.
Brenda 00:49:10 Same. In fact, I say, this is not for you. If you're still playing the blame game on all of my sales pages, like just it's a hard pass for me. Go ahead.
Brenda 00:49:19 Go ahead and do that. I played in there too at one point, but yeah. Nope.
Lisset 00:49:24 Yeah.
Brenda 00:49:26 Oh my goodness. So you know at the beginning when we opened you said follow that nudge to go travel again. And I rented this place for 14 months, which I know is a weird number but that just felt right.
Lisset 00:49:38 I love it.
Brenda 00:49:39 With the intention of when I packed everything up and put it in storage, I hadn't quite sorted through what is actually like mine. What is it that I want to carry with me on this journey? And I had it in two big crates in PDX warehouse, PDX Movers Warehouse, and I was like, I need to get it out, be with my stuff, get rid of the next layer, and then I probably am going to go do it do it again. Yes.
Lisset 00:50:05 I love it.
Brenda 00:50:07 Or maybe I'll buy houses all around. That is a possibility as well.
Lisset 00:50:12 I love that too. Just whatever it is, whatever your soul is being called to do, follow it.
Brenda 00:50:18 Yeah. For me, it's travel. Absolutely.
Lisset 00:50:21 Yeah, 100%.
Brenda 00:50:23 Oh my gosh. This has been amazing. I'm so grateful for your time. I'm so grateful for you sharing your wisdom and your commitment to doing sacred work. Really is meaningful. And I just want to recognize and celebrate that. Thank you.
Lisset 00:50:40 Well, thank you so much. It's it's an honor and it's a calling. I'm just saying yes to spirit. Honestly, just this is like, yes, I captain. So thank you for seeing me. Thank you for having me on. This is such a great conversation. I know we can go another 90 minutes for sure.
Brenda 00:50:58 For sure. Maybe we will.
Lisset 00:51:01 Okay, let's do it again. Thank you. Yeah.
