Brenda 00:00:00 You know, it'll be fun. It'll be fun. All right, so we're recording. Hey, Cathy. Hey. I'm not even gonna cut that out. Because this is how we roll. You'll almost always come into Kathy and I in the middle of a conversation. And that's okay. And that's. I'll catch you up, okay? Yeah. We'll try, we'll try. Right. Thank you for being here. Well, thanks for inviting me. Yeah. You're kind of a legend, honestly, in my community, because I'm always like, well, my mentor Kathy, but, obviously we're more. I mean, you're so much more than that to me. You're just like my dear, dear, dear friend and like a sister. So. Thank you. Oh, that.
Cathy 00:00:48 You just made my day.
Brenda 00:00:52 Well. Thank you. You do that for me over and over and over. Oh.
Cathy 00:00:55 Thank you.
Brenda 00:00:56 Yeah. Yeah. So I just invited you onto the podcast just to share you.
Brenda 00:01:03 We don't have an agenda. We don't know what we're going to talk about, but we know it's going to be good.
Cathy 00:01:10 It will probably be surprising.
Brenda 00:01:12 It'll probably be surprising to both of us and to all of the listeners.
Cathy 00:01:16 Right?
Brenda 00:01:17 Yeah. So I'll I have a little story to tell you. I was just on a podcast application call like an hour ago, and the woman popped into my zoom screen, and she'll come on the podcast later this year. And I could hardly speak because I was like, in fact, the first thing out of my mouth was, you have orbs. And she's like, what? And I was like, all I can see is flashes of light all around you, beside you, you know, like streaming across. And she smiled and she's like, yeah, I think that's my mom over there.
Cathy 00:01:55 Well that's cool. It was cool. Yeah, that she even knows she must feel her.
Brenda 00:02:00 Yeah, she must feel her. I remember the first time you told me about orbs.
Brenda 00:02:05 And in case somebody doesn't know, do you want to explain what an orb might be?
Cathy 00:02:09 So an orb could be a someone that you past loved one. It could be an angel. And they come in, and, it's it's kind of fun. I remember teaching a class, and, I was talking about what? Whatever. It was a Reiki class, and and all of a sudden, myself and one of the other students, we ducked. Did you see that orb coming in right at our heads? So, yeah, if you pay attention, you'll see them.
Brenda 00:02:43 That's right. And you can sometimes see them in pictures.
Cathy 00:02:46 Oh, absolutely.
Brenda 00:02:48 and they sometimes move in the pictures.
Cathy 00:02:52 Well, I was just thinking, you know, there's times that I've gone back and looked at pictures and not notice the orbs in there. So it makes me wonder did I just had blinders on and didn't pay attention to it? Or all of a sudden they're now there because I'm looking for them. So I don't know.
Cathy 00:03:10 That mystery.
Brenda 00:03:11 It's a mystery. so I feel like, you know, as far as my spiritual development is concerned, that you were a pivotal part of that, and I had no boundaries in my life or in my spiritual development at the time that we became friends. And, well, maybe no boundaries is an overstatement, but I definitely didn't have any spiritual boundaries. And in the mediumship practice circle last week, you were talking about boundaries that people can set, and I'm going to land the plane here, I promise. I'm thinking that there were a lot more orbs in photos before I started to set boundaries than Then there are currently. And this always blows people's minds when they hear that you can set boundaries with your spirituality. Do you mind sharing just a little bit about what that is and what it means?
Cathy 00:04:07 Sure. So, you know, like we were talking about in the mediumship class, you know, I think I'm kind of, unusual or maybe others do it and they just don't talk about it.
Cathy 00:04:20 but there would be growing up, I would often wake up in the middle of the night and see a dead person staring at me, and it freaks me out when they do that.
Brenda 00:04:31 I don't like that.
Cathy 00:04:33 No, you can't do that. Or if they come in the house uninvited and, especially if they start moving things. So boundaries would be when you're willing to make contact with them and sort of like what we called working hours. What are your working hours that you're willing to work with them and be able to set those boundaries because, you know, we're still in human form. And so our body requires rest and relaxation. And especially if you're an empath, you need that solitude by yourself for a while to recharge.
Brenda 00:05:04 That's right. And what you're naming is, you know, in my own life, I wasn't sleeping well and I couldn't put my finger on why. Because I, I had the awareness to know that something was happening, but I didn't have the skills to know what. And it turns out there were parties being held in my kitchen every night.
Brenda 00:05:23 And it was.
Cathy 00:05:25 Rude. You weren't invited either. Rude?
Brenda 00:05:27 I wasn't even being invited to party in my own house. And it wasn't until I set those boundaries that I was able to sleep.
Cathy 00:05:35 Yeah, it makes the difference. It does. Even going into working spaces and that, you know, there's one place that we had worked out of. You and I both had worked out of where there was a group of old men, spirits that were playing poker in the back room. We'd smell cigarette smoke now and then. It's like, oh, yeah, I can't have that party here.
Brenda 00:05:57 You gotta move it outside.
Cathy 00:05:58 Gotta move it somewhere else.
Brenda 00:06:02 Oh, I remember that. I remember that. Oh my gosh. So good. So for the listener that's thinking, wait, I can set rules around what I see, because here's my suspicion and maybe I'm wrong. You can speak to this. I think a lot more people are spiritually aware than people admit.
Cathy 00:06:23 I agree. I think anyone's capable of developing mediumship.
Cathy 00:06:29 I think it's something they already do. I think the typical expectation is that if a spirit is communicating with you, that it's a big booming voice from above, which isn't true. It's more or less that nudge that you get, when a certain song comes on the radio. That means a lot to you because you're thinking of someone that's past that you love. You know, it's those gentle nudges that it gives you. And then once you get into that, you now realize that's the spirit communicating with you. Being able to go with that flow of energy and pick up all sorts of wonderful details.
Brenda 00:07:11 Yeah. It's so much more subtle than the movies portray. Right.
Cathy 00:07:17 Right. Well movies you know, it's all evil right. In the movies. So. Right. That's true. That's what sells. That's right.
Brenda 00:07:26 That's right. And both you and I, we don't dabble in that. We don't, we don't. We don't play there.
Cathy 00:07:33 Oh. Absolutely not.
Brenda 00:07:34 Absolutely not. That's right.
Brenda 00:07:36 And so, yeah, I think my biggest surprise was how much I'd been tuned in the whole time. I didn't know that's what was happening. I happening. I didn't know that was what I was doing. I knew that there was something different about me. And I knew that I had awarenesses that I couldn't explain. I didn't know that's what I was doing.
Cathy 00:08:00 Yeah, I think, you know, everyone is connected in one way or another to that realm. And I think one of the hardest things, when you start to develop that area, is to trust the information that you're getting. It's so easy to write it off as your imagination. And then, you know, I always keep reminding myself what your imagination and the part of your brain you use to communicate with spirits are. It's on the same side of the brain, so it's easy for people to write that off.
Brenda 00:08:33 Yeah, totally. So, I, I often get a chance to share my origin story of, like, how I came to this work.
Brenda 00:08:40 And you are part of that story.
Cathy 00:08:44 you know.
Brenda 00:08:44 How we talked down the hall from each other, and then we were in that yoga class with Rachel, and then you shared that business card that wasn't even yours that.
Cathy 00:08:52 Had.
Brenda 00:08:53 Reiki on it. And the rest is history.
Cathy 00:08:57 Yeah. That's right.
Brenda 00:08:59 Yeah. So for the listener that's thinking I kind of wanted to dip my toe in, but I don't know where you offer Reiki and theta healing and mediumship and readings. Where would you invite someone to start?
Cathy 00:09:16 Oh, I think Reiki is always a good place to start, and I'm biased. I think everyone should have at least Reiki one because. Because you should be able to take care of your own energy and be responsible, the energy you bring into a space as well. So I think Reiki is a wonderful place to start. I, I that's where I started when we were having, ghost issues at our house, so. I had to figure out how to work with energy.
Brenda 00:09:51 That's right.
Brenda 00:09:52 And that's where I started to, in case it wasn't obvious, that that was my kind of dipping my toe in, and then I was like, oh my gosh.
Cathy 00:10:00 Yeah.
Brenda 00:10:01 She gets me.
Cathy 00:10:05 Well, you know, learning Reiki gave me, the vocabulary to normalize discussion about energy.
Brenda 00:10:13 Yes, exactly.
Cathy 00:10:15 Where before, you know, if you say that to someone that doesn't understand, they look at you like you have five heads. And so and that is easily shuts down a conversation about that. Yeah.
Brenda 00:10:29 It sure does. So you and I have both had to work through, being in very structured environments, very, science based, data driven environments where we were openly discouraged from doing the work that we're doing. Openly discouraged from sharing it. And then we both had our own versions of shedding all of those shoulds and and opening up into our own gifts. And you don't have to give any details. But what was that experience like, and how did you navigate through all the voices from the shoulds and the and yet the inner knowing that there's something there that's really right for you?
Cathy 00:11:17 I know for a long time it felt like I was walking with one foot in two different worlds.
Cathy 00:11:23 Right. Because I'm being very data driven and very scientific. you certainly wouldn't entertain anything that I'm doing now. And so, I almost felt like I was losing my mind at, you know, at a certain point, because I would work all day in a very scientific, data driven environment. And then in the evenings I would see clients and do this. And so.
Brenda 00:11:51 Yeah.
Cathy 00:11:52 Yeah. So it just got to a point where I think the tipping point for me is I switched my environment and, the people that were in there were very accepting, very understanding of what I do in the evening with energy work. And that made all the world of difference for me to a point where it's like, okay, this doesn't feel so bad. Yeah, it's always that unpredictability of what someone's going to respond to you when you start talking about energy work.
Brenda 00:12:30 Right? So I noticed if I think to it, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have said I shifted my environment as part of my answer, but that is part of what happened because I shifted my environment.
Brenda 00:12:42 In fact, I have been shifting my environments over the last year, just like trying things on and trying places on. And I do think that's part of my exploration.
Cathy 00:12:55 Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah. You have gypsy blood in you.
Brenda 00:12:59 Well, it may be a little bit of both.
Cathy 00:13:02 Both?
Brenda 00:13:04 I do have a wanderlust, like, oh man, I have wanderlust. But I always keep coming back to the same places, which is interesting too.
Cathy 00:13:16 Yeah, that tells you something, right?
Brenda 00:13:18 It does, it does. Yeah. So I felt like, something shifted in me that was sort of like, okay, now I can talk about this in a new way. And it was a decision Vision to be authentic. And when I made that decision, I did not have this in mind. That was not was not what I was going for. I just wanted to be, like, more authentically me. Like, I didn't want to mask. I didn't want to pretend that things were okay when they weren't okay.
Brenda 00:13:52 I just wanted to be authentic. And then the more I dove into that, I was like, wait a minute. If I actually want to be authentic, I'm out of integrity. If I'm not talking about this part of my life. And so that that was kind of where my process eventually, that was the the moment where it was like, okay, I'm going to talk about it.
Cathy 00:14:18 Oh, good. Good. I always thought, I put it out there that Barrett will, share the information of what I do in the evening with those that have doubt. When it's time for me to shift.
Brenda 00:14:33 Yeah.
Cathy 00:14:34 So it takes that, Takes that out of my control, so to speak. It's not something that I had to constantly monitor. And so. So when someone comes up and goes, wait, wait, I think I saw your ad. Aren't you doing Reiki? What is Reiki? And so then I knew. Oh, okay, that it must be time.
Brenda 00:14:59 You know, I wrote something down that you said this week.
Cathy 00:15:03 I put.
Brenda 00:15:06 I put my my journal over there. but it was something about let spirit be my agent. Right. And I was I it really hit me when you said that. I was like, oh, I'm still taking on too much. I need to actually let spirit be my agent and and do more of that. So on my list this week is is to create my contract with spirit. My agent.
Cathy 00:15:35 Contract. Okay. Good. Good. Someone. Daniels. From spirit school is the one that. That, had said that to me. She goes. Spirit's my agent. And so they're going to bring the people that I can help to. Me? I thought, oh, perfect. Absolutely.
Brenda 00:15:55 It's so good.
Cathy 00:15:57 It's very good.
Brenda 00:15:59 So not only Reiki, you taught me Reiki. And then we discovered theta healing together. And then you went on and and continued your theta healing education eventually helped me upgrade my own theta healing, education. And then you've gone on to study mediumship and, oh, we and we did the certified Oracle card reader thing together.
Brenda 00:16:23 Remember that we did.
Cathy 00:16:23 A billion years ago, right?
Brenda 00:16:25 Billion years.
Cathy 00:16:26 Ago. It sure feels like a billion years ago.
Brenda 00:16:29 It's That's like lifetimes ago.
Cathy 00:16:31 Isn't it?
Brenda 00:16:32 Yeah. Do you find that? It is. Do you like having one thing? Like, I'm working Reiki now and I'm doing a reading now. Or do you like to kind of braid them all together?
Cathy 00:16:45 Gosh, you know, a lot of times they're blended depending on what my client needs, you know? Sometimes my client doesn't know exactly what they need until they come in and we start talking about it. And then I can say, well, are you open to. And we go from there. Yeah. My my goal is to help wherever I can in the best way that I can.
Brenda 00:17:07 Yeah, that hits for me too.
Cathy 00:17:09 Yeah.
Brenda 00:17:10 Yeah. For me, I also braid it together. Now I if somebody's not comfortable with something and they ask me for something very specific because let's say they, they don't want x, y or z, I will honor that and I will respect that.
Brenda 00:17:25 But otherwise it's a braid.
Cathy 00:17:28 It is hard to separate. You know, once you've incorporated it into your life. And so it's hard to segment that out. But I always do the best that I can if they have a special request.
Brenda 00:17:42 Yeah. Absolutely. Oh I wanted to show you something here. Can you see.
Cathy 00:17:46 Oh yeah. Good job.
Brenda 00:17:51 So. That's great. Thank you. I need to get another one. So, Kathy, put me on to a storage thing for my cards, and I thought I had a lot of cards, and so I ordered one storage thing. It was like I thought, okay, this is going to be enough. And as soon as I got the whole thing full, I found nine more decks.
Cathy 00:18:14 And I'm thinking, I think I might need 3 or 4.
Brenda 00:18:19 Same.
Cathy 00:18:20 And am I going to have to find a spot where I can put it? So.
Brenda 00:18:25 And I still want more. I know it's not like I want more. It's not.
Brenda 00:18:28 It's not that. It's that I will see somebody do a reading with a specific deck of cards and I'm like, oh, I would love to have that deck.
Cathy 00:18:37 I just did that last night. You did? I have a new deck coming tomorrow. Sucker for the artwork in it. So.
Brenda 00:18:47 Oh, I love that. I love that. So my daughter this year asked for oracle cards or tarot cards for either one for Christmas. Okay. And so I know I was really excited and I was like, okay, so how many decks do you have? And she cocks her head and she looks at me and squints her eyes and she's like, one the one you gave me. And I'm like, wait, what? Maybe you have one deck. Oh my gosh, we have to fix this.
Cathy 00:19:20 Why are you behind?
Brenda 00:19:25 So needless to say, she got several for Christmas.
Cathy 00:19:28 Oh, nice. Very nice, you know. And the funny thing is, I don't rely on my cards a whole lot anymore.
Brenda 00:19:36 I don't either, but.
Cathy 00:19:38 I just love the artwork. And I like the, process when you use them. But I use, you know, a lot for myself.
Brenda 00:19:47 I use them for myself, too. I don't use them for clients as much unless I have a client that is feeling really resistant. They sort of know a truth, but they're not admitting a truth to themselves. And I think that they'll take it better from the cards than me. Then I'll use the cards.
Cathy 00:20:07 I remember the first reading I did without the cards. And, the gentleman goes, well, I thought you were going to use cards. And I go, oh, okay. So I brought out my cards and I typically use three different decks, and I shuffled them and, and took, you know, dealt out the cards. And I go, oh, look, that's what we talked about. That's what we talked about. That's it said exact same thing that I had told him before without the cards.
Cathy 00:20:32 He goes, how did you do that? I said.
Brenda 00:20:39 And Cathy's got her hands up to her side, like with a little shrug, I don't know. Oh my gosh. And you also do crystal readings?
Cathy 00:20:50 I do. I haven't done those for a long time. Those are fun to do as well.
Brenda 00:20:54 I just got a new book. It's called, the Stone Witch of Florence.
Cathy 00:21:01 Oh.
Brenda 00:21:02 And it's about somebody who does crystal readings in the 1300s.
Cathy 00:21:05 Oh.
Brenda 00:21:07 I haven't read it yet. This is not an endorsement of the book, but I am going to read it.
Cathy 00:21:12 Maybe it's a biography or something, right?
Brenda 00:21:18 Maybe so.
Cathy 00:21:19 Maybe so. Yeah.
Brenda 00:21:21 So that makes me think of all the crystal shows, which makes me think of Sedona, which makes me think of our upcoming trip. And, so we're going to go in March and we're going to go visit and explore Sedona. So listeners, give us any tips that we need to know, like are there special vortexes we need to visit? Are there hikes we need to take? Are there special shops we should be going to?
Cathy 00:21:47 I had one of my students suggest a chocolate shop and I went, oh, okay.
Brenda 00:21:52 Oh, there's more than crystals there.
Cathy 00:21:54 I was confused a little bit for them. I go, okay, we'll look for it. I love for chocolate.
Brenda 00:22:01 That's funny. Yeah, I guess we do need to eat while we're there. Yeah, that'll be fun. It will be. When is the first time you noticed a crystal or a rock? Or maybe you don't even know. Because, like, for me, The first time I knew I had something for rocks was when I was pulling like rocks and crushed mica out of my pocket as a really small kid and like, you know, a handful of crushed mica and being devastated that the mica had crumbled.
Cathy 00:22:38 well, you know, I have older siblings, and they always told me that mom found me underneath a rock, which would really explain my love for rocks. But, you know, I've always collected stones. Always. I can't remember not doing that. And then when I started doing the crystal readings, I used all those stones I collected as a child.
Brenda 00:23:03 That's what you started reading with?
Cathy 00:23:06 That's what I started reading with.
Brenda 00:23:07 I didn't know that. Yeah. That's cool.
Cathy 00:23:11 Yeah. So forever.
Brenda 00:23:17 Yeah. Me too. Me too. I mean, I was a kid, and I was old enough to wear something with pockets, but other than that, I don't really have an age.
Cathy 00:23:26 Yeah. I love crystals. I. I laughed. You know my husband. He's. He made me promise. No more rocks. And I laughed at him.
Brenda 00:23:37 Did you tell him? No more rocks. I'll just do crystals.
Cathy 00:23:41 I said I can't. Well, that's what he calls crystals. I said, I won't promise that, I said, but I will promise I'll be more selective.
Brenda 00:23:49 What did he say?
Cathy 00:23:50 He goes, all right.
Brenda 00:23:54 I remember the first time that I spent more than, like, $2 on a crystal. And then I remember the first time I spent over $100 on a handful of crystals. And then I remember when I had a line item in my budget for crystals each month.
Brenda 00:24:14 it is It is a. It is the gift that keeps on giving. Yeah.
Cathy 00:24:19 Very true.
Brenda 00:24:20 What's your favorite part about doing this kind of work now, compared to the very structured work you were doing?
Cathy 00:24:29 Oh, I find there's a lot of similarities. because with my classes with I, when I teach, you know, the excitement is when I was teaching, students, younger students, they always get so excited. You hear that? Gasp because they're just so surprised that they can do something or they, you know, see something for the first time or something makes sense for the first time. And adults respond the same way. And I love that.
Brenda 00:25:00 Oh that's amazing.
Cathy 00:25:01 I absolutely love that. Yeah.
Brenda 00:25:05 One of the things I see in you is that you have used this as a mechanism to build community, and there is such a strong, beautiful community centered around what you've built. It's so cool and so unique.
Cathy 00:25:23 well. Thank you. Thank you very much. I, I think community is really important, especially when you're doing, any kind of work like this that's out of the ordinary.
Cathy 00:25:35 And I live in Idaho. It's a, when that doesn't always entertain energy work. Especially when I first started. people were shocked that I put a sign out by the road, and they would come in just to talk to me because I had put a sign by the road. and, I just thought it was a wonderful way to reach out to the public. we do Reiki outreaches, and so the public can come in for free and have a mini session. usually my students run it so they get the practice they need. They get the community built around them. So if they get stuck with answering a question or that they have, some people there that can help and it's a safe environment. So it.
Brenda 00:26:25 Is.
Cathy 00:26:26 Yeah. I just love it, I really do.
Brenda 00:26:30 It's so cool. I, I was able to do one of your Reiki outreaches with you in August, and it felt like coming home.
Cathy 00:26:38 Oh, that means a lot.
Brenda 00:26:41 Yeah. It's so cool. So Cathy is located in Boise, Idaho.
Brenda 00:26:45 So if you're in driving distance or flying distance to Boise, you can go check out Reiki Renewal and Cathy and and all the things. we're not done yet, but where can people find you if they want to connect with you?
Cathy 00:27:02 you can find me on my website, which is Reiki renewal.com. You can find me on Facebook and you can find me on Instagram.
Brenda 00:27:09 Okay. Beautiful. Beautiful. Is there one thing that you think everyone should know? I mean, obviously, we would love the whole world to be trained in Reiki one. Yes. That's a given. That's a given. But in addition to that, is there is there 1 or 2 or even three things that you think people should know that maybe they don't know?
Cathy 00:27:33 I think they really. I think it's important that they trust their gut. They call it their gut. I would call it their intuition. But, you know, public doesn't always accept the word intuition. but if you talk to someone about trusting their gut, then that seems to be more easily digested by them.
Cathy 00:27:55 And a lot of times they talk themselves out of whatever that feeling is. They should have done this or they shouldn't have done that. And then they go against it and they regret it. So I think once you start trusting that intuitive part of you it grows so much more because of that. And you learn how to trust yourself. You know there's a lot of people out there that don't trust themselves. That's right. Right.
Brenda 00:28:26 Yeah. Oh, that's so important. That's so important. And you know, the gut. They've studied the lining of the stomach. It contains brain cells. There's actual brain cells in our gut.
Cathy 00:28:40 I believe it. I think they found brain cells in the heart, too, haven't they?
Brenda 00:28:44 I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Trust your gut. One time I did this. This dyad. It was really profound. I still remember it. dyad. Just meeting two people. And we had to complete the statement, and we had to take turns. I know in my gut.
Brenda 00:29:04 And then we had to fill in the blank and some of the things like at the beginning it was like, I know in my God, I'm thirsty or I know on my, you know, it was really serviceable. And then as it went on, it got deeper and deeper and deeper and some of the things that were revealed to me, by me, we're really profound.
00:29:24 Oh.
Brenda 00:29:26 And so that can be a fun thing to do just to practice on your own. Just say the sentence I know in my gut and then fill in the blank.
Cathy 00:29:33 Yeah, that would be. Yeah, I have to do that. Yeah.
Brenda 00:29:40 Yeah. Is there anything else before we close today?
Cathy 00:29:44 Well, I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I mean, energy is energy. I think that people get surprised by that. That, It travels. And once you've connected with it, it doesn't matter if you're in the same room, if you're, you know, on the other side of the world.
Cathy 00:30:04 I mean, energy is energy. It moves in some amazing ways. And what I've learned from working with energy is that the English vocabulary does not have a lot of words that describe how energy moves. That's one of those things that you have to feel. So I think before, if someone hasn't tried it, I think if they haven't, you should give it a try because it's really hard to explain what it feels like to someone. It's more personalized. So.
Brenda 00:30:34 Oh, I love that. I love that. And you know, to your point, energy is energy is energy. One of the common things I hear people say is talking about departed loved ones, which of course leads into mediumship and, and and, you know, connecting with the other side. And I actually I guess I have a question for me. Okay. So a lot of people will say things like I think my I departed loved one. Insert the blank here is trying to tell me something, and sometimes I can feel that that there is definitely that presence there.
Brenda 00:31:13 That loving energy coming through. And sometimes I can feel that it's a person's ego or a person's, human that wants there to be a message. And I'm wondering for the listener who's trying to discern, is this a message? Is this not. What are some of the the hallmarks of a true message that might be coming through?
Cathy 00:31:38 I think, gosh, spirit takes so many different forms when they're trying to communicate anywhere from giving you signs to, music on the radio. If it's one that you're thinking of to feathers, I look for all those little signs to see. And then if you're talking about mediumship Wise. How do you know? Without spirit or without ego? My gosh. I'm trying to think. Have I ever seen it with the ego? I'm just trying to.
Brenda 00:32:12 Yeah. I don't usually see it from a medium. I most often would see a person trying to make sense of something.
Cathy 00:32:21 I think, whoever's doing the reading for their sitter, if they're not listening to their sitter and they start, arguing with them, who they brought in.
Cathy 00:32:35 I mean, that's definitely ego on the medium part, right? Or if they, if the medium and I might be way off answering your question or if the medium starts telling you things that they think you want to hear rather than, or giving you an opinion rather than the unvarnished message from spirit. That makes sense.
Brenda 00:33:00 Yeah. It does. In fact, you answered another question, and then I am part of this Facebook group and I won't say which one. but there was a question where somebody posted that they had sat for, a medium and that this person had given them information that was very dark, very scary, very much like a this is the rest of your life kind of sentence type of energy. And I know what you're going to say, but I'd love for you to say it for.
Cathy 00:33:27 Us, cause that's definitely ego. I mean, spirit comes from love and light to give you messages. They don't come with doom and gloom by any means. And I think that any medium that does that is working from ego, and it's not working in an ethical manner.
Cathy 00:33:46 you know, it's really important for me to work with integrity and, and be ethical in the messages that I give. So yeah, that's that's coming from the medium. That's not coming from spirit.
Brenda 00:34:01 Yeah. Thank you for saying that.
00:34:03 Okay.
Brenda 00:34:04 Yeah. Yeah. You just answered all the questions and some I didn't even realize our listeners would want to hear. So I'm going to just. Sorry. No don't be sorry. So I'm trying to think if there's a listener that's like, oh, now I'm super curious. You offer mediumship practice circles and you also offer Reiki training and theta healing training. Is there other things I have not mentioned?
00:34:30 No, that's that's it.
Cathy 00:34:32 That's a lot. My family likes to see me and so I've, I've just kept it to those three things.
00:34:40 I give sessions for.
Cathy 00:34:41 All those too.
Brenda 00:34:42 So yeah. So go connect with Kathy Reiki renewal on Facebook Instagram and the website Reiki renewal.com. Cathy thank you. Thank you for being here.
00:34:53 Thank you.
