Brenda 00:00:01 Welcome to your yes, build life. I'm your host, Brenda Winkle, educator, healer, speaker, guide and fierce advocate for your. Yes, I help sensitive and successful men and women find, reclaim and live from their full embodied. Yes, through empowering you to understand your energetic hygiene, establish healthy boundaries, and heal your nervous system, you'll be able to create your yes filled life and move through your days with more freedom, more ease, and more joy. You'll hear inspiring stories of people who found their full bodied yes thought leaders who pursued their own dreams and are living life on their terms, and learn new ways to find the courage, joy, ease and freedom to more fully step into your yes filled life. Saying no to the good so you can say yes to the great. Join me on this journey to discover your yes filled life. Whether you're looking to break free from the golden handcuffs, start a new business, find your dream job, or simply live with more intention and mindfulness, I've got you covered.
Brenda 00:01:15 Let's explore the possibilities together and make your dreams a reality. Ready? Let's do this. Let's get you to your yes filled life. Hi, Tiffany. Thank you for joining me.
Tiffany 00:01:31 Hi, Brenda. It's good to be here.
Brenda 00:01:33 I am so excited for this conversation and so excited to meet you and to have the audience meet you. And I just want to jump in with a question, which is, what is one thing you either did or didn't do that has led you to your yes, filled life?
00:01:52 Oh gosh. I mean, it probably is a little bit crazy, but I would say probably signing up to be a Real Housewife.
00:02:04 Oh, I love that.
Brenda 00:02:06 Can you tell us more?
00:02:07 You know, when I had the opportunity to be a Real Housewife of Dallas, I was really hesitant about joining the show because as far as I knew, the show was about women who often behaved poorly. And I'm all for uplifting and empowering other women. And then to go on a show like Real Housewives that may be known for a lot of fighting and whatever the opposite of empowering other women is, was a conundrum for me.
00:02:41 But I said yes to doing it. I only did one season, which was enough for me, and I'm glad that I did it now, four years later, because it opened a lot of doors for me and it really taught me that I can take leaps of faith and do things that not might not be on my given path, because none of us saw that on our bingo card for my career trajectory. But but I did it. And I did it in a way that was authentic and true to who I am. And who you see on the show, by and large, is who I am. Maybe not the best version of myself, but I stand by what I did and what I said on the show, and it opened up my eyes to the fact that I don't just have to be an anesthesiologist or just a mom, because it was doing that show that made me realize, oh, I can be an entrepreneur. I can be an influencer on social media, I can be a reality TV personality.
00:03:47 and I and until I did that show, I was really unsure that I would ever be anything besides, you know, a doctor and just a mom.
Brenda 00:03:56 Just a mom in air quotes.
00:03:57 Right in air quotes. You know, because I think the the hardest job in the world is, is being a mom. So whenever I meet people and my coaching clients and the lead her summit attendees who came, one of the women who came, I said, oh, what do you do? And she said, oh, I'm just a mom. I said, no, no, no, ma'am, you are not just a mom, which is your audience can't hear that. But when I did that, I had air quotes on because I don't I don't believe in diminishing one of the most important roles that you can have as a human.
Brenda 00:04:26 Absolutely. I absolutely agree 100%. It's the hardest job I have ever done. Correct. My daughter is 23 and so things are changing for me now. Like it's a lot less hands on time.
Brenda 00:04:38 She lives on her own. She's a fully functioning adult, and yet I still say it is the hardest job I've ever done. Yes, yes. Yeah. So I love what you said about the identity, the roles, the anesthesiologist, the mom and then having this experience inside the Real Housewives, where you could bring them all together and create this other version of you that incorporated the whole you.
00:05:09 Right. What what was.
Brenda 00:05:10 That like as you were working through that process of bringing in the identities into one whole being?
00:05:20 It was, cathartic in many ways, and I felt a vast sense of relief because up until I had sort of been given that permission slip, I was playing small. You know, I had ideas. I wanted to be creative. I wanted to be funny. I love making other people laugh. Like there's no better way to be my friend than to laugh at my jokes. I'll like you immediately. And but in my role as an anesthesiologist at a trauma hospital working with often, you know, cancer, patients.
00:05:57 There was not much of a role to be creative or funny. and I felt stifled. I also love fashion and beauty and luxury handbags, and I'm not sorry for it. But back then, I was, I. I hid my love for these things. You know, if we can call purse collecting a hobby and shopping is cardiovascular activity. Those were passions of mine. But I never talked about it because I always thought I need to be this serious doctor so that people take me seriously at work because I was already. And any other female doctor will relate to this. As soon as I walked into a room, people automatically thought that I was the nurse. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a nurse. One of my best friends is a nurse and I value their work, but I'm not a nurse. I went to medical school and residency and and just the automatic Assumption of being a young looking female. I didn't command authority and respect. Like when my white, tall male colleagues once I had a white, tall male medical student, and the patient kept calling him doctor.
00:07:10 And I was like, he's the medical student. But anyway, I, I didn't show the full expression of myself at work, and I was at work 50 to 60 hours a week, so that was the only place I was, because I was afraid that it would diminish my authority as a professional who was taking care of people during vulnerable times. So I hid myself. I was not the fullest bloom of my flower because I was afraid what other people would think. And then I went on a show like Real Housewives. Well, when you sign up to go on a show like Real Housewives, you very soon learn not to care what other people think if you want to stay sane, right? If you want to stay sane because the comments came rolling in, people at work, we're looking at me. Some guy stopped me on the elevator and was like, did I see you on my TV last night? I'm like, no, you must have been hallucinating like it. Just this, this whole world opened up.
00:08:08 But in many ways it was such an explosion of like going from being so scared and not showing any signs of yourself to letting it all hang out. Like I went from like, 0 to 100. Like it wasn't a slow process. It was like lift the blind now you can see.
Brenda 00:08:27 Oh my gosh.
00:08:27 And it was so jarring and so jolting that it kind of like woke me up from this, you know, dream I had been living in for the last 35 years. It was crazy.
Brenda 00:08:41 Your story is so relatable. I was a teacher for 26 years, and when you talk about like this seriousness and wanting to be the authority in the room. There was such a box that I felt trapped in that. Like even shopping for toilet paper or tampons in the same place where I taught felt, almost shameful, like I didn't. I didn't want someone to see me as a human, let alone, oh my gosh, if I bought a bottle of wine, oh, forget about it, you know? And so there was a process in becoming an entrepreneur and a podcast host and a coach that I had to go through to show up as fully me.
Brenda 00:09:20 And it was unlearning more than learning. It was unlearning the messaging that I'd had about who I had to be to be that that teacher, that serious person. And when you talked about learning to not care what people think, your process took place really quickly and you must have had either incredible strength or really big capacity for discomfort because a lot of people that would be so jarring it might shut them down.
00:09:56 Yeah, it was jarring. I mean, I cried more on filming Housewives than I have in my entire life. Like, I'm not a crier. Anyone who knows me will be like, oh, yeah, Tiffany doesn't cry. my husband was like, what is going on with you? but filming for the show was only 12 weeks, and I thought to myself, like, I could do anything for 12 weeks, you know, I mean, I, I graduated from college early. I went to a competitive and challenging anesthesia residency program for four years. You know, I pulled all nighters.
00:10:28 I worked, 42 hour shift one time in the ICU. Like, I can film with these dramatic housewives for 12 weeks. Certainly, like, bring me another glass of wine. Let's keep going.
Brenda 00:10:40 Right. And it sounds like it was kind of a personal development. 12 weeks in the sense that you had to learn to not care what people think.
00:10:50 Yeah, that part took longer than 12 weeks. That part probably took like a year or two years. because you film for the show, and then there's a period where they're editing it, and then you have to relive it again because it starts showing on TV and people are talking about it, and you're expected to post on social media about it in order to get the viewer engagement up and stuff. And you're like, this happened six months ago. Like, and now I have to like, tweet and like post about an argument that I had six months ago. It was stupid then, and it's stupider now.
Brenda 00:11:26 Oh my goodness, oh my goodness.
Brenda 00:11:28 So as you're becoming this fullest bloom, the fullest version of your flower, a lot of things. I'm going to start with that and then ask my question, which is a lot of people that I work with are really gifted at what they do. They're so talented. They're Incredible professionals, entrepreneurs, light workers and caring what people think is something that is really a barrier for them. And it's one of the toughest things that they deal with. Even as they learn to step into their own power, it can still be really unsettling when someone is disappointed that you set a boundary, or disappointed that you didn't say yes to something that you've said yes to for the last 15 years. How did you learn to, or how do you teach your clients or that you work with? How do you manage that? How do you deal with it?
00:12:25 I mean, it's still a journey for me. I struggle with it. but I always say you have to enforce the boundaries that you set, or else everyone just learns that your boundaries are meaningless.
00:12:37 Right? Even with my children. You know, if I say, like TV is done at 8:00 and then it's 805 and I'm like, okay, finish the show. Then they've just learned that, like, my boundary actually has no meaning. So as far as teaching my clients and stuff, I just say like, who is the person that's asking you to do the thing? Or who's the person that's giving you their unsolicited opinion about something that you've chosen to share? Because a lot of the times they're like, oh, it's some rando on the internet. And I'm like, why do you care so much what a random person on the internet with four followers and no screen, like it's like a picture of their dog or like a flower. It's like a faceless profile. But they said you're ugly or they disagree with your opinion, like, who cares? It's. And when I say like to learn not to care what other people think. Of course I still care what other people think. I care what my husband thinks.
00:13:34 I care what my friends think. I care what my children think. But it's to restrict your caring to the people that you care about and stop listening to these random voices coming at you through the internet. Because before social media, honestly, these people would have never had the access to even tell you what they think. But now social media sort of equalized everyone, right? Like if you have a screen name and a keyboard, you can say whatever you want. No you can't. Not to me. I will so fast blog delete everything on a person because I'm like, who are you again? Yeah, sorry. I'm not listening to you like you don't matter in my life. And some people may think that that's kind of mean, but you, as you grow, there will be more positivity and negativity in your life. And the negativity just if it's not serving you, if everyone's saying the same thing and saying like, oh, you said this and that could be taken the wrong way, or we think, yeah, listen to those people.
00:14:37 But the one off comments I say absolutely pay them no mind.
00:14:43 I love.
Brenda 00:14:43 That and I love how you highlighted, you know what I call or Terry Cole also calls the VIP section. Like the people that are really important to you. Their voices matter and we can maybe discount some of the other, the other voices and opinions. So I'm curious, one of the things that I'm, I'm witnessing and observing about you is that you have woven together all of your life experiences the doctor, the mom, the TV, star. And you have this beautiful amalgamation of all the parts of you. And I'm wondering what life feels like now compared to, let's say, five years ago.
Tiffany 00:15:29 I would say.
00:15:30 Now I feel like I finally stepped into who I was supposed to be. I five years ago, I wasn't unhappy that that's not the the sentiment that I want to bring, I just was unfulfilled. You know, I was working full time as an anesthesiologist with, I guess, five years ago I had five year olds.
00:15:53 I was I never saw my kids in the morning because I had to be in the operating room at 630, and they don't wake up until like 715, and then frequently at night, depending on what time I was getting out of the Or. I didn't see them much, or I saw them for like an hour or two, you know, and I just didn't feel I, I looked around and I was just like, is this it? Like, have I busted my tail my entire life, which I had to get here. It just felt so unsatisfying. And people are going to be like, oh my God, she's so ungrateful. This girl, because she's a doctor, she has a loving husband, she has these beautiful children. And I'm not saying that I wasn't full of gratitude, but I just felt like I had something bigger in me and clocking in at the hospital and clocking out every day, wasn't it?
Brenda 00:16:45 That resonates for me. I felt the same way many, many times throughout raising my daughter, and I was a single mom from the time she was five, and there just wasn't options that I was able to perceive.
Brenda 00:16:58 As far as leaving my teaching job, it just felt like I needed to do that. She needed the security. In my mind, it's what I kept telling myself. And it wasn't until she was approaching her senior year in high school that I woke up one morning and I was like, okay, what's left for me? Like when she goes, what am I going to have? That's actually just mine? And it was a really scary feeling, like I felt it in my whole body as heaviness, like I couldn't lift my arms because I was realizing, oh my goodness, my entire purpose of being is going to leave the house this August. And you know, if I wouldn't have really given myself permission to make the life changes that I made, I, I would not be fulfilled. And it wasn't that I didn't love my daughter, and it wasn't that I didn't love my job. Both were true. I loved both, and I wanted more. I wanted to make a bigger impact. I wanted to do bigger things.
Brenda 00:17:57 I wanted to help more people. And so what you're saying resonates deeply with me, and I think it'll resonate with a lot of our listeners, too.
00:18:05 Okay, good. Because because I don't want to seem ungrateful. It's just that I knew there was something else out there for me, and that I needed to have a bigger impact on this world. And back then, I didn't know what it was. and it certainly wasn't reality TV, I'll tell you that. but through the reality TV, you know, I was able to have a platform to talk about the issues that are important to me, like, you know, gender equality and empowering women and lifting each other up, you know? So it's weird how sometimes it's like you veer off the path, when in fact, that detour was part of your path all along.
00:18:50 I feel that.
Brenda 00:18:51 I absolutely feel that I ended up in Portland, Oregon. That's where I live now. And I came here for a job that I quit one year after because I was realizing I was coaching in the evenings and on the weekends.
Brenda 00:19:03 And I was in this group call and I was telling everybody, just say yes to you. And then I got the call and I was like, I have to go to school on Monday. I don't want to go. And I thought, oh my gosh, I'm so far out of integrity right now, right? I, I have to, I have to do something different. And it was that feeling of, oh my gosh, I'm way out of integrity by doing the quote unquote safe thing, by staying with the, with the teaching job. And so that was that was my it's time to jump moment.
00:19:33 Yeah. No, I love that story. And and you know that misalignment that you talk about, of being out of your integrity, that eats away at your soul day after day after day, you think you're doing the same thing by staying in the secure job that has the insurance, and you don't want to start your business because there's all these a hundred reasons not to. But that dissonance and that misalignment eats away at your soul every single day.
Brenda 00:20:01 Absolutely. It's it's like poison.
00:20:04 Yes it is. Yeah. And and back then, you know I was eating so much fast food. I am blessed to be naturally skinny, you know. But like that doesn't mean I was healthy. I didn't work out, I didn't meditate, I ate terribly, I had, like, cake for breakfast. Just whatever I could get my hands on, drink like four cups of coffee a day, slept poorly, you know. And then here I am telling my patients about the benefits of a healthy lifestyle. And I'm thinking of myself like I'm such a fraud, you know, like. Yeah. And it just. it didn't align. And and now, you know, I live a healthy lifestyle. I do what I call the 8020 rule, which is good 80% of the time, but 20 because, you know, you have to live a little, and I just feel more enlightenment and the things that I say and that I tell other people, it's like, you know, that old saying like, do as I say, not as I do.
00:20:59 I'm like, no, we don't play that like I am the example for my patients and my children and my followers. So now I feel like I'm not just talking the talk, but I'm also walking the walk. And it just feels like that your integrity is there and there's no misalignment.
Brenda 00:21:18 and that feels so good. And I don't.
00:21:19 Know, it's so good. It's so freeing. Yeah. And I don't know about.
Brenda 00:21:22 For you, but for me telling myself I need to do this because I'm a role model for my community, it makes it easier for me to keep the promises to myself about making sure that I get good sleep, and good nutrition and good hydration and exercise and all the things. And so I'm really grateful. And I always say, I do this work because I need this work.
00:21:44 Yes. Yes, I love that.
Brenda 00:21:47 Yeah. So when you were saying about loving, you know, the designer handbags, I had a little, like, pitter patter in my heart.
Brenda 00:21:54 And I'll tell you why I love fashion, I love clothes, I love bags. And when you were talking about it, I was thinking about the messaging that we sometimes get, that those types of things are a little bit frivolous, or maybe even something more negative than that. And I wanted to unpack that a little bit with you, because I think that for me, when I gave myself permission to dress in the way that I want to dress, to carry the bag, I want to carry, something happened for me. And there was like this freedom that I felt in my body and it, it bled into every area of my life where there's a confidence. Is it about the bag? Well, maybe it's about permissioning me to do what I want to do, but I'm curious. How does that affect you?
00:22:48 I would venture to say that it wasn't about the bag, and it was about that extra pep in your step and holding your head just a little bit higher that day because you felt good, because you looked good and then you did good.
00:23:02 You know, it's all in alignment there. And yes, people say that it's frivolous at best, wasteful at worst, I don't know. but but why should a man be given the freedoms to have hobbies as he pleases, such as, you know, golf or hunting or whatever, but, you know, me liking to try new skincare and facials and collect luxury handbags is frivolous. Like who? Who gets to decide that? Like, you don't get to decide. I don't get to decide. I think everybody should be given the freedom to have whatever hobbies they choose to, as long as it's not hurting anybody else. You know, I think there's a dichotomy, when it comes to what's acceptable for men versus women, you know, women tend to have more acceptable hobbies, such as cooking or gardening or, sewing, knitting, which if you distill it all down, all those hobbies benefit someone else. That's right.
Brenda 00:24:04 That's why I was laughing. It's because if your hobby, quote unquote is cooking, correct.
Brenda 00:24:09 You're also feeding the family. It's very utilitarian, even if it is a hobby.
00:24:13 Correct? I God, how I wish my hobby was cooking. But that is not the way that the good Lord made me. And I can barely make some scrambled eggs without messing something up in the kitchen, you know? So I've been blessed with many talents in life, and cooking is just not one of them. I don't have the patience for it and quite frankly, I'm not a picky eater. So if you put something mildly palatable in front of me, I'll eat it. So I always say, if you don't cook, then don't complain.
Brenda 00:24:45 I love that I think you've raised some really good points about the hobbies that sometimes are socially acceptable, are also benefiting the family, and I think that there's a beautiful permissioning there to really examine. Are the hobbies for you or someone else?
00:25:04 Yeah. Or have you been socially conditioned to like these hobbies? Because when you do them, you're being praised or, you know, something of that sort.
00:25:13 so yeah, I think a lot of this really does go back to women needing to give themselves permission to, you know, buy the bag, have the hobby, take the trip, all those things. You know, in essence we don't need the permission. But I think when we read books and listen to certain podcasts, you start developing a mindset where you're like, no, I deserve that. Like, why should I, you know, hold myself back and and sacrifice and be a martyr for my family and all this stuff, like, you're not going to be remembered for all those things. So girlfriend, just go ahead and give yourself permission.
Brenda 00:25:54 I love that I love that in my group coaching call today we were talking about removing the need for someone else to understand your position and that when we can remove that need there's a freedom that we can experience when we don't have to be understood by someone. You know, if we set a boundary, if we claim a truth, if we make a decision that's unpopular, I love that.
Brenda 00:26:19 And so when we talk about women's empowerment, I know that you lead summits and you lead retreats and you've got a book. Can you tell us a little bit about your work?
00:26:27 Yes. So not too long ago, we just had the inaugural lead her summit, which is an idea that I dreamed up because I wanted a safe place where women from all different professional backgrounds could gather and share our areas of expertise with one another and amplify each other, which is exactly what we did. Our friend Ali was there. She spoke, she led a yoga session, and the feedback that I got from the women was just so, enlightening to me. People said that they had never been to a conference where everyone was so nice and they made so many new friends, and this one girl wanted to write a book. So she met with this copywriter, and this other girl wants to leave her practice in academic medicine and start her own OBGYN practice. So she linked up with someone who had done the exact same thing.
00:27:17 Because by and large, these days, whatever it is you want to do, I bet you there's someone who's already done it or something similar enough where they have a abundance of expertise to share with you. If you would only connect with them and ask for a little advice, you know? because most, most ideas and things that we're doing aren't that novel. Right? And so it's it's just incredible to find a mentor or a colleague in the same space just to bounce ideas off of or get some advice from. So. Lead. Her summit was in November. It was the inaugural one. We had 180 women in the room. It was incredible. And speaking of luxury handbags, I gave away one of the Birkin's from my closet to an attendee.
00:28:05 I just had a.
00:28:06 Raffle for it. and it went to the most wonderful person and I didn't know who was going to win it. I mean, it's like a raffle thing. And I just reached my hand in and picked one, but she was the exact person who I wished would have won the raffle.
00:28:22 So it all worked out. She's a single mom, a pediatrician, and and just the sweetest soul. And I told her, I said, you know, if if luxury handbags aren't your thing because they're not everyone's thing. Like, one of my best friends is like, you spent how much money on a bag? I said, you know, you can sell it. There's a secondary market for them. They're very popular. And you can take the money on, go on vacation or pay off your student loans. I don't know, whatever your situation is. And she said, no, this came from your closet. I'm keeping it. And I said, okay, girlfriend, I expect you to carry it everywhere then that's amazing. So that was the summit. And then at the end of February, I'm having a retreat in Cabo at a really exclusive adults only boutique hotel. And over the span of four days, three nights, we're going to do kind of like in-person, intimate workshopping, because for the summit, I had 180 women in the room.
00:29:19 We had keynote speakers, panels, breakouts. But it's really hard to connect with people because it's just such a big space and people would pull me aside and I'd try to have a conversation with them, but then I'd have to go and do the next thing. So the retreat is meant to be more of a high touch point, intimate workshop, which is why I limited it to only 20 people so that we can actually, like, talk about stuff that we need to talk about. So we have, mind body health topics. Ali is going to be leading some exercise classes for us. I have a talk I'm going to give about how to build your brand. because we're all our own brand. People are like, I don't I don't have a business. I don't need to build my brand. No, honey. Yes you do. talk about social media and actually taking someone through how I get the ideas for which TikToks or reels to create and how I shoot it and how I edit it and how I post it.
00:30:18 Kind of like behind the scenes, how the sausage is made, and just,
00:30:23 Like all the things.
00:30:25 That we talked about at the summit, but like more in depth. And that retreat is almost full. We just have a handful of spots left for that. And then after that, my next big project is my book, which I've been working on for two years, entitled Joy prescriptions. And the reason it's called that is because it's a memoir of sorts of all the different chapters of my life. But at the end of each chapter, I leave the reader with a joy prescription to take back to their life and infuse more connection, gratitude, and joy into their life. So take the lesson that I learned in my life, and take it back to your life so that you can live more authentically and with more joy. Because it took me like 35 years to figure this out. So hopefully, you know, other people can learn it a little sooner.
Brenda 00:31:20 Oh, I love this. I love everything about it.
00:31:23 so.
Brenda 00:31:23 If people want to connect with you on social media, where can they find you?
00:31:27 I'm on all the platforms, but mostly Instagram and TikTok at Tiffany Moon, MD. The lead her summit retreat can be accessed by going to our website, which is Lead Her Summit and Joy prescriptions is already available for pre-order on all the major online bookseller websites, and you can get through to those by going to Joy prescriptions.com.
Brenda 00:31:54 Amazing. This is so good. So for someone who is feeling like, oh my gosh, I'm almost ready to take the leap. What advice would you give her?
00:32:04 Just take it, honey. Just take it. Because we overthink it. And when we overthink it and we ask people for their opinion, they'll talk us out of it. Because as you know, in the coaching world, our brain wants to keep us safe. You know, our our primitive brain wants to scan the environment for change and potential threat and keep us safe by doing what we've always done. So any major change, like signing up to go to a retreat or a summit or a coaching course or a mastermind, you're like, your brain is going to give you a hundred reasons why not to do oh, that schedule doesn't work out.
00:32:43 Oh, I, I shouldn't really invest that much money in myself. I should, you know, save it or something else like that. No. Like you ultimately have to decide, like I need this. This is for me. This is an investment in myself, my growth. And actually, when you do well and you are the fullest bloom of your flower, you affect the people around your life differently. Because that energy, that excitement, that empowerment, it's contagious. And I've never seen anything more powerful than a woman who is empowered and on a mission 100%.
Brenda 00:33:24 And back to your point about, you know, talking to other people and getting opinions from the committee. If we have any wobble in our commitment, they will feel it. And they want to keep us safe. And so they'll talk us out of things just because they love us. And so sometimes we have a tendency to talk too soon to our committees, to the people that we love, our families, before we're really solid in the decision.
Brenda 00:33:49 So I would I would also add, just make sure you're really solid in it before you start talking about it, or your loved ones will talk you out of it.
00:33:57 Yep. I didn't tell anyone I was writing a book until it was almost done being written. I didn't tell anyone about the summit until I had already secured my speakers and, you know, open it up on a website so that someone who didn't like the idea would talk me out of it, and I'd be like, you know what? Never mind. I'm not doing it, you know.
00:34:17 Yeah.
Brenda 00:34:18 I did the same thing. I launched the podcast with like three episodes before I told anybody that it was happening. It was like ready to go and same thing with my business. I didn't tell anybody, oh, I'm going to quit teaching and go work full time for myself until it was done, because I knew people would talk me out of it.
00:34:36 Yep. So I guess the lesson is don't tell people. If you're going to do something, tell people after you've already done something.
00:34:45 Yeah.
Brenda 00:34:46 That's it, that's it. Yeah. Or reach up to your coach, to your mentor, to your advisor, to your mastermind group, and talk to other people who are perhaps willing to lend you some bravery and some courage.
00:35:00 Yes.
00:35:00 And they have a more open mindset that that not everyone has, in terms of, you know, growth and and reveling in discomfort because discomfort is absolutely necessary for growth. So if you're going to tap out as soon as something is his uncomfortable. That's not the type of person you want to be getting advice from. So, you know, surround yourself with good people who have a growth mindset and who will applaud you for working through the discomfort so that you can have the growth.
Brenda 00:35:35 That's so important. I agree. Growth comes with discomfort. It is not comfortable to show up and try something new and to not be good at it the very first time you try it. Right. It's just not.
00:35:46 Yeah. If it was easy.
Tiffany 00:35:47 Everyone would do.
00:35:48 It.
Brenda 00:35:48 That's right. Yep. Is there anything else you'd like to share before we close?
00:35:53 No, no, it's been wonderful. I'm so grateful to have been connected to you and just the platform that you've built that talks about these important issues and, and really empowers women to live their best and most authentic lives. So thank you to you.
Brenda 00:36:10 Thank you for being here, Tiffany. I just appreciate it so much. And I look forward to working with you sometime soon.
00:36:17 Yay!
