Brenda (00:00:01) - Hi, Megan. Hi.
Meghan (00:00:03) - It's so good to be here. Brenda. Thank you, thank you.
Brenda (00:00:06) - Oh my goodness. Thank you for being here. I'm so excited for this conversation. And I can't wait for people to get to hear from you and for my audience to meet you. And I'm just really honored to have you here.
Meghan (00:00:21) - Thank you. I'm honored to be here. You are somebody that just instantly I'm drawn to your energy and your space, and I'm just I'm curious. And I want to know more. And I feel like we just can sit and chat and converse and be in the space. I'm excited to give other people a lens of a lens of that space.
Brenda (00:00:40) - Oh, that's very kind of you. So for our listeners that don't know, Megan, I met Megan when I joined the pose facilitator training, and she was a mentor in that, in that program and then became my mentor in the somatic coaching program. So, Megan, I've given a little bit away, but would you mind just telling our listeners a little bit about yourself and the work that you do in the world?
Meghan (00:01:03) - Yeah, yeah.
Meghan (00:01:05) - as Brenda mentioned, I do get to do what I think is the coolest job of all time, the coolest space of all time, and really get to guide and mentor others in their journey as they explore what it feels like to find breathwork and and that might look in their own personal practice, that might look for them as a facilitator or sharing it with other people as well as somatic coaching. So again, getting to hold people in their own somatic, experiencing their body based connection into a healing space, and then open that up and support others as they step into the space for themselves to share the work with others. And it's in whatever way I get to play in these mediums. It is such a gift, and whatever I have done in this life or other lives that have led me to this space, I am just so unbelievably grateful because I can't imagine every once in a while I think about doing something else, or think about kind of going back into the world of where my degree and what my path was supposed to be.
Meghan (00:02:08) - I'm like, oh, that just feels so constricting. No thank you, no thank you. I'll stay here.
Brenda (00:02:14) - Oh, I relate to that. Yeah, I absolutely relate to that. I've been at, three education conferences in the past like six months. And, you know, there I was really good at what I did. And so I kind of think, well, maybe I'll just go like, see if I can be a part of that world in some way. And every time I leave, I come back feeling so grateful to be doing the work that I'm doing and also to support them in what they're doing. But I'm so grateful. So grateful. One of the things that struck me about you right away was how you can be so centered and so grounded in what you believe, and hold such gorgeous space for everyone to have their own experiences. It's really magical. Is that something that just has come naturally to you, or is it something that you've developed?
Meghan (00:03:12) - Or I don't know that I've ever been asked that question.
Meghan (00:03:15) - First of all, thank you for the reflection. I do think it's something that I've developed, and I do think that there for as long as I can go back and remember, there's just always been this seed in this planting of I can stand really strongly in what feels good for me, what is an integrity for me, what my beliefs are. And they most definitely have shifted and and modulated as I have grown and shifted and modulated. And you can do whatever feels good to you as long as you're not doing harm to me or anyone else. And I really feel that. And I for somebody to press their thoughts their way, rules basically for somebody to press their rules on me is just I'm an instant rebellion and and I just I can't do it. I don't like it. And I don't want to do that to somebody else. I don't know someone else's journey. I don't I don't know the layers that have led them to the space. So how can I possibly think? And no one that I know better than anybody else.
Meghan (00:04:17) - And to that, what I know and have learned is going to fit for somebody else.
Brenda (00:04:24) - I love that and I relate to that so deeply. Like I am all in. If we're playing as a team and we're like working towards this common goal and the minute that shifts into a directive, oh like I'm out I'm out, I'm, I'm not good at I'm not good at that. And in my teaching career, I had a few people try to micromanage me. And I am not my best self when that, when that happens.
Meghan (00:04:56) - I'll take the feedback I'll take the reflections I'll get curious about what you're doing. But yeah please, please don't force me into doing things that I have.
(00:05:04) - Not decided I want to do on my own time.
Brenda (00:05:07) - Yeah. Oh yeah. For sure, for sure. And so when you're talking about. Other people not knowing other people's experiences. One of the things that we talked about in my graduation call that has stuck with me is we were talking about pouring from an empty cup, and you said something that shifted my perspective.
Brenda (00:05:33) - And I'll just say what it is and then we can talk more about it. We were talking about pouring from an empty cup and how that is sometimes what we hear. It's the party line that we hear about self-care in our society. And you said, I don't think that's true. I think people pour from an empty cup all the time. Can we talk about that?
Meghan (00:05:53) - Yeah, yeah. I mean, hands up in the air if it's a safe space for you to do so if you can. It's such a great line, and I understand it, and it's so true. And I do think we can. I think we are pouring from empty cups more times than not, most of us in our world and how we operate. I mean, have you ever seen a mom that's running ragged, that's up with or a parent of any kind that's up with disrupted sleep and baby needs this, and you're here doing this, and you have to show you're just doing it and you don't really. Yes, there's choice.
Meghan (00:06:26) - But also in that there's not really choice in that you're you're in a survival state. And it's an amazing ability of our nervous system to allow us to survive. And when we don't understand the impact that, that can have, then we're just drained and depleted and pouring from empty cups, squeezing any life force out. Anything that we have to give and to serve or to be present for somebody else.
Brenda (00:06:56) - And that was my story. I mean I was trying to fill my cup with like massages or a pedicure or something. And it, it wasn't that, it wasn't filling my cup but it wasn't restoring me. And then it.
Meghan (00:07:12) - Feels like something else I have to do when I'm really in that space. And I'm searching for those things to fill me, and they're not restoring me, but they're the things that somebody told me would be great. It's like, now I got to go get a pedicure at some, like, where am I going to get a pedicure at this point? And I don't even have time for this, but let's run around and cram it in between 500 other things so I can get it becomes just another chore instead of something that is.
Meghan (00:07:40) - And maybe that's just myself, right? It became such a chore to even do those things because I just had nothing left in my tank.
Brenda (00:07:49) - Oh, same where I. I was stressed out by my pedicure.
(00:07:54) - Yes. How long is.
Meghan (00:07:56) - This going to take? Hurry up, I can, I read, can I work, can I do 100 other things while I'm sitting here in this space?
(00:08:02) - Yeah, yeah.
Brenda (00:08:04) - And so, you know, I work with a lot of people who are in this space who are fitting everything in their back to back scheduling, whether it's kids in five sports or, the mom who has kids out of the house, and yet she's still hustling in that same way because she's going to college visit days, and now tending to the husband and aging parents and all the things. And one of the things that that I talk about with people that I'm learning is people don't know what their body is saying to them to communicate overwhelm. Can we talk a little bit about what some of the signs and symptoms of overwhelm or this this pouring from an empty cup might feel like.
Meghan (00:08:42) - Yeah, in everybody of course, is going to be different in that in in my personal experience and what I witness when I hold others that are in the space, it shows up a lot in a mood, in agitation, in frustration, in resentment. When I was working in a clinical setting, it really showed up in a space for me that I was just so jaded. I just went from caring so much about everybody to just not caring at all. I had no capacity to show up with empathy or compassion because I had nothing left. I had nothing left. So for me personally, that's one of the biggest indicators, is when I start to notice that I'm showing up in a space without empathy or compassion. I know that that's not my sole self. I know that that's not truthful, and it's a call for me to come and examine and on, you know, that's an emotional space. On a physical side. I think it shows up a lot with insomnia. I think it can show up a lot in just fatigue.
Meghan (00:09:46) - It can show up a lot in an anxiety space. It will show up for you in a space that is going to get your attention the most.
Brenda (00:09:56) - Yeah, whether that's back pain or indigestion or even gastrointestinal issues that mean you can't leave the house.
(00:10:04) - Yeah, yeah.
Meghan (00:10:05) - Look at that twist. Right. Okay. So we will keep you at home thinking perhaps maybe that will be your invitation to slow down and that we still figure out a way how to skirt around all of that as well.
(00:10:17) - Oh, yeah.
Meghan (00:10:18) - With loving compassion. Right. We can say it. We can laugh about it. And for a year that are in it, this is still a space that I come to. This is not a space that's like, oh my gosh, I have this mastered. I'm so absolutely not. It's still a lesson that revolves around again. Now the lesson comes with a little bit more clarity, and that time of noticing has been compressed. The more that I've given time and space and curiosity to.
Meghan (00:10:45) - To the signs and symptoms of my body.
Brenda (00:10:47) - Oh me too, me too. I don't have it completely worked out. In fact, I think that's why I teach this stuff is because I need to keep coming back to it. Yeah, yeah.
Meghan (00:10:59) - Yeah. The mirrors. Right. Keep it fresh. If I tell somebody else enough and enough. Enough, then it's the light bulb moment for me of. Okay. Yes. Are we soaking in any of this? The wisdom, are we soaking in any of these words or comments?
(00:11:12) - Right.
Brenda (00:11:13) - Oh my gosh, I love that, I love that, and it's so I just want our listeners to hear this, that this is something you can continue to hone and get better. It's a skill, which means you can learn it and improve it. Yes.
Meghan (00:11:29) - Yes. And it's going to vary depending on what season of your life you're in. There will be some seasons where that is a lot more accessible to you, and there will be other seasons in life where it will be very challenging to you.
Brenda (00:11:43) - Absolutely.
Meghan (00:11:44) - And everything in between gets to be there as well.
Brenda (00:11:46) - So I find for myself that I create what I call disruptors. And my disruptors are things that disrupt a negative pattern. And so I've been honing this for about the last 17 years. And I started with a fishbowl and paper on my dining room counter, because I couldn't think of what I even liked. At one point in my life, I couldn't remember what I liked. If I wanted to go feel better, I was like, I don't remember what I like. So I put things that I liked on a calm day when I had capacity to think on little slips of paper, and then I would draw from my fishbowl, and then I would go do that thing, whether it was blow bubbles or play sidewalk chalk, because I had a small kid at that time, or whether it was go to the park or go to the river, whatever it was. what do you do for yourself to scaffold, coming back to what you know is true for you?
Meghan (00:12:45) - I want to say one thing before I go into that.
Meghan (00:12:47) - Notice that Brenda said, I have been honing this for 17 years. So to to further back her point of this is a skill that you come back to and refine and grow and expand in 17 years of a practice. And this. Right. It's not I did it and now I have it, and now I've mastered it, which I think is really vital. And naming that has shifted and changed. When I had a little one, it was bubbles and sidewalk chalk. Now, perhaps it's something different.
(00:13:15) - Yes, maybe that is true.
Meghan (00:13:17) - All of that sounds fun too though, so who knows.
Brenda (00:13:19) - I do have bubbles on my kitchen counter right now.
(00:13:22) - They say some things.
Meghan (00:13:24) - Are just great, no matter what age or space.
(00:13:27) - Or whether or not.
Brenda (00:13:28) - Your kid even lives.
(00:13:29) - With you.
Meghan (00:13:29) - Exactly, exactly. Outside time for me is one of the most. If not probably the most grounding foundational space of that. I can tell when my eyeballs have not had enough sunlight in them for extended periods of time.
Meghan (00:13:46) - When I'm not moved my body in. It doesn't have to be anything big, but even just moving and breathing and circulating that fresh outside air, that stale inside space. So making sure that outside time is a deep priority of mine. And then for me, it's really having connections with people that I love cutting out the will go, right, I'll go and I'll go and I'll go and I'll go. And if I don't intentionally block time off of my schedule, it gets eaten up. And that's a great that's a great piece to. But up against until it's not. And when it's not then then it's not and it's not quickly. And it's really hard to retract that. So being intentional about okay take a look at your calendar and where are you putting in time that is really meant for deep connection with someone else. Those two spaces right now have been really serving to me. And time and silence, time to just not be do have any obligation to anybody else. And in that really being mindful that I'm not filling that with things just so that time is filled with things.
Brenda (00:15:06) - All of that is so good.
(00:15:08) - Yeah, yeah.
Brenda (00:15:09) - Oh, no, I know, I know where you live. Is it okay to say, yeah, that you live in the Twin Cities in Minnesota? And so I love that you say getting outside is a practice. You didn't say getting outside in the summer is a practice. You said getting outside as a practice. How do you navigate the weather and getting outside.
Meghan (00:15:30) - Well I grew up in the Midwest so and I was a winter baby and I have no idea if this correlates I love winter, I love it, I love when you breathe in and everything in your insides freeze up a little bit. I just, I love it. and thankfully I have activities and pieces that I really like to do. I like to ski and snowshoe to have something for me to get outside. That being said, when it's feet of snow and it's been 20 to 30 below for days on end, no, that's not a fun or enjoyable place for me to do, but I know.
Meghan (00:16:05) - Okay, can we take in five minutes? Can you, can you can there be just some amount of time knowing how important it is? So it's finding activities that I can do in different seasons. the winter almost tends to be easier than November when it's kind of snowy, kind of rainy gray, as you know really well. But just these long periods of the gray tend to be a lot more challenging. And then it's ten times more important for me to be outside. Those are the times when I really don't want to, that I probably need to more than ever.
Brenda (00:16:43) - oh, that resonates. So I live in the Portland area, and gray and rainy and muddy is eight months of the year. And so I learned that the right gear is essential. So like, I have this really ugly pair of keen hiking boots. And at the time I bought them, I was like, why did why does cane make these so ugly? And then I realized they make them so ugly so that you can't see the amount of dirt and sand and mud that's on them, so you literally don't care.
Brenda (00:17:12) - So you just walk through the muck and then you stomp it off when it dries off, and then you go out again the next time. And so having a pair of shoes that you can use that are whatever you need in your area, whether it's waterproof or warm or whatever. And I even have rain pants. I didn't know rain pants was a thing until I moved to Portland. Just like snow pants. But rain pants are really helpful in that driving rain.
Meghan (00:17:37) - It's those things that we get to. Those are the things we can think about and plan ahead of time. So as you named, when you had capacity, you could write the notes and put them in the fishbowl. We're not going into planning prep creation mode when we're depleted. So when there is an uptick in energy, can we use that to better prepare our future self for the time when we're stretched thin? And making simple choices is a complicated space? Can it be laid out? Can it be simple? Can we take the guesswork and the thinking, the mental chatter out of it? So it is a non-negotiable at this time.
Meghan (00:18:18) - It is the first thing I do in the morning, or it is the thing that I do at this time and this space go right going in that.
Brenda (00:18:26) - I really love and appreciate that you brought that out, that, you know, you don't try to plan these things when you're depleted because you don't have any more capacity for decisions.
Meghan (00:18:36) - No. Then it does feel like a chore. Then it does feel like the obnoxious, annoying thing of I have to go and do this, versus I'm actually really choosing to do this.
(00:18:48) - Yeah.
Brenda (00:18:49) - Do you find that there's one time of the day that your energy is most rich?
Meghan (00:18:54) - Morning times are my time. I'm an early riser. teen. Megan would never have believed that. But as I have grown, I have become an early riser. It's. I love mornings. They're quiet. Nobody's in the city. Nobody's moving around there. It's. I don't have to fight myself as much to not look at my phone to have that. It's just I wake up my my time in the morning up until a certain hour is mine.
Meghan (00:19:27) - And that is a non-negotiable that I hold so, so, so firmly in because I know the rest of the day gets swallowed up so quickly, whether it's planned for or not planned for, whether things come in. So to me, that is the time that I know gets to be mine. The rest just gets to be bonus if it gets to happen in different times and spaces.
(00:19:52) - I'm a morning.
Brenda (00:19:52) - Person too, and I didn't ever think I would be because in college I was sort of on the other end of the of the clock where I would, you know, go to bed at 3 or 4 in the morning and then get up, you know, later around noon. But I tell you what. 530 and I am wide awake, raring to go. And just like you, that's that's my time. I walk my dog. And so that's his time. But then it's my time.
(00:20:18) - Yeah.
Meghan (00:20:18) - It's your mutual walking time.
Brenda (00:20:20) - Mutual walking time. Yeah. And it does serve us both.
Brenda (00:20:24) - Did you have to figure that out or was it something that just was innate? Did you just always like as soon as it shifted from Teen Megan, was it just kind of obvious that this is when I feel good? And so I, I'm going to do this now, or was that something that you figured out?
Meghan (00:20:42) - Probably a little bit of both, I think in grad school and when the busyness of life came, it was just, if you're going to get a workout in, if you're going to move your body, if you're going to have time for yourself, this is the time that you're going to do it. And then that just became the ritual that became the structure for myself and what feels best for me. It all, of all of my morning movement, my meditation, the breath, whatever I get to do in my morning space are truly things that I love, and they very quickly feel like a chore if they need to get done in a different time. And I feel like I'm fighting for time and space for them.
Meghan (00:21:22) - and so it's knowing that I get to do this in love and enjoy this, or I push it off and then dread it all day long. And I don't want to dread the things that I love, because I genuinely love to do them. And I know that they give back to me and they make me feel so much better.
Brenda (00:21:40) - that's so wise.
(00:21:42) - I love that it.
Meghan (00:21:43) - Happens, right? It happens by default. And also then just in getting clear up, okay, this is how this is going to work. And this is the way that feels best for me. And a big part with my past and my history is also then can we also not be rigid in that? Because that can that's a whole different spiral of a whole other past versions of self. But where that rigidity can come in, especially with movement, where it isn't something I like, it isn't even something that I'm dreading. It is just a fact that this is what you do and this is how you do it, regardless of what actually your body is asking for needing in that space.
Meghan (00:22:22) - And then that's a whole different.
Brenda (00:22:24) - I resonate with that where I can I have it in me to, to get really latched on to something that's working, and then to sort of not ever be curious around, is it still working? Is this still working in the best way possible? And so I've been trying to ask myself questions about all the things, like, if I were going to do this, would I still choose it this way?
Meghan (00:22:50) - Which is such a powerful question to ask because when it becomes for me, when it becomes a ritual, when it becomes habitual in whatever way that it does, it is just autopilot sometimes. And so to even be able to have those disrupters to say, whoa, let's come in and give a space to ask yourself, or I was just traveling last week, and so my schedule wasn't dictated by me, my schedule wasn't mine, and a past version of myself would have just crumbled under that. And there was a space of, I don't necessarily like this, and you're good for a couple of days.
(00:23:31) - You're okay. Yeah.
Brenda (00:23:35) - How do you how do you give yourself the time and space and grace to acknowledge the feeling that I don't like this and you're going to be okay for a couple days?
Meghan (00:23:46) - The letting both be there. Instead of it being binary, it's either I'm going to be okay, this is great. This is wonderful. This is the best thing that's ever happened to me, is kind of where that line of thinking can pull into or I don't like this, I hate this. I'm not going to be okay. Anxiety is going to take over my system. It's acknowledging, hey, both of these can be truthful at the same time and let yourself toggle back and forth between. I actually am certain I do not like this, and I'm okay in things that I don't like you. You have the capacity to stand and to be and to be with uncomfortable things. And that came with practicing in many and not necessarily that situation, but that came in other modalities with practicing being in uncomfortable spaces so my nervous system could understand.
Meghan (00:24:44) - It's one thing to say it, and really, my mind so badly wants to believe it or even knows that there's levels to truth to that. But unless my nervous system has had the experience to say, oh, that is truthful, you can be uncomfortable and you can be okay, it's not. My nervous system is going to override that space every single time.
Brenda (00:25:08) - Right? Yeah.
Meghan (00:25:09) - And that's not.
(00:25:10) - Willpower.
Brenda (00:25:10) - Right? It's not willpower. In fact, my fight instinct or flight instinct comes on really strong when I'm in a situation that I'm uncomfortable and I, I need to give myself my body some support and some nurturing to check in and and remind myself you're okay. Like you're okay. You can not like this and you're still okay.
Meghan (00:25:36) - My identities are threatened in that space. and so it's you know what does this mean about you or I'll get really rooted and stubborn in. But I am this person. I am an introvert. I am a whatever kind of identifier that I'm wearing. And then I just root and root and root and not in a healthy, supportive way that creates that rigidity.
Meghan (00:26:01) - For me. It's almost not even a fight or flight. It's almost that free space of just we're just going to get so rigid here that nothing is going to move us. And really, that's coming from a freeze response, not from a I'm standing in truth and integrity space.
(00:26:16) - Yeah.
Brenda (00:26:17) - Oh, I love that. So for our listeners who are like, okay, I've heard of fight.
(00:26:21) - Flight or.
Brenda (00:26:21) - Freeze, but I don't really know what that means. Can we talk a little bit about that and unpack it?
(00:26:27) - Yeah. Of course.
Meghan (00:26:28) - So go ahead.
(00:26:30) - Do you.
Brenda (00:26:31) - This is.
(00:26:32) - Your wheelhouse. Now I have to answer this. All right. Well we.
Brenda (00:26:35) - Can chat about.
(00:26:36) - It, but, so our.
Meghan (00:26:38) - Nervous system has responses that it will bring forward for us. Our nervous system is working moment to moment, second by second all the time to keep us safe and alive. And sometimes the ways that it operates to keep us safe and alive aren't necessarily maybe the most supportive or gentle or even clear pathways to get there.
Meghan (00:27:02) - But they've been known to work in the past, and the system is going to default into what it has known in the past. It worked in the past to keep you safe. We're going to replicate it over and over and over again, and those responses come up in fight or flight. I'm either going to bring an intense energy forward, some aggression, or really charge into something or flight. Oof! This is too much. Catch you later. I'm out of here or freeze! I'm just going to be possum here. I'm just here. Nothing's moving, nothing subtle that will maybe show up in a way of people pleasing or even a fawning response. And all of which we all toggle between and we use in different ways. And they're there for a purpose. We just a lot of times in the society that we live in now, or the way that we've been conditioned, they don't necessarily always show up in the most supportive ways. And when they show up in those ways that are maybe not the most supportive, we're not in a clear, critical thinking space, so we don't have the capacity to just whoa, pause.
Meghan (00:28:14) - What's happening here? Okay, I'm starting to move into that flight. Not you're okay as as Brenda named okay. When it feels that way, I go into flight. And then it's that pause speaking into the work that she's done in just some self-regulation, a way of connecting to your own nervous system to say, okay, let's just take a moment here. Can we look at what's happening? Can we feel what's happening instead of boom, I have to react to what's happening right now. And that takes time and energy and dedicates. And truthfully. To being able to have that space for yourself.
Brenda (00:28:53) - Yeah. And practice too. And practice. So when I was a teacher, a young teacher, like, you know, in my first ten years of teaching, I thought that we had the opportunity to choose our stress response. I really talked to myself. In fact, I remember having conversations about which one would you choose? Like, are you or do you choose fight? Do you choose fight? What do you choose? And then I realized several years ago, and then it was really clear to me in this amount of coaching and breathwork program, we don't choose our nervous system responses, which is important for us to remember in our relationships, because the people with whom we're in relationships are also not choosing their nervous system responses.
Brenda (00:29:40) - Yeah.
Meghan (00:29:41) - And important for us to have that that awareness, that understanding is really important, I believe, for us to then have grace and compassion for ourselves and to really look at when language is coming at you, either from somebody else or from yourself, of what choice are you making here? What are you doing in that? Sometimes it's not always a choice. Oftentimes it's not always just a choice. But it is still our responsibility. Whether that's fair or not fair. I think sometimes it's a not fair thing, but it is still our responsibility to say, I see where this is constantly happening. Where can I play with the disruptor? Where can I get curious about understanding how and why that's showing up for me, and and why that looks differently with my boss and why that looks differently with my partner, and why this looks differently with my kids. We might have all sorts of different ways that we respond depending on who we're in that interaction with.
Brenda (00:30:41) - yes. That is so good, so good.
Brenda (00:30:44) - So before I ask you my last question, which I seriously cannot wait to talk about with you, how can people connect with you? Where can we find you?
Meghan (00:30:52) - Yeah, Instagram tends to be the best hub space. all my contact information is on Instagram. It's just my first in my last name, my website and everything is linked right to there. So it's a great space to come and jump in, full transparency, social media and I, I don't know, we're not we're not gelling, so much in this season and I'm okay. I'm okay with that. It's a space of I really want to show up there with pure energy, and that shows up in a good way. And when I force it, that's not how I want to show up in that space. But I still am on like everybody else. I'm still on there and checking. So come hang out, ask a question, check things out.
(00:31:34) - Beautiful.
Brenda (00:31:35) - Thank you.
(00:31:36) - Yeah.
Brenda (00:31:36) - Thank you. So, Megan, is there one thing that you feel like you've done or that you didn't do that led you to your guess filled life? Gosh.
(00:31:49) - Oh.
Meghan (00:31:53) - To me. There was. experience that I had after my first breathwork session, and I had before that time, I had put in a lot of energy, a lot of work, a lot of time in healing, and it just wasn't quite shaking out in the way that I knew deep down inside, but also thought that it could or should. And for so long I would see other people operating in the world, and I would think not from a space of, of, judgment or of envy, but like, gosh, they're doing something different and I don't.
(00:32:34) - What is that?
Meghan (00:32:35) - How are they accessing that? What is that for them? And I did my first breathwork session. It was terrible. I had a panic attack at the end and I thought, well, this is for sure not the thing. I don't like this thing. And there was a voice that for the first time in my life, was so steadily strong that said, do this thing. And the next day I signed up for facilitation training.
Meghan (00:33:01) - I didn't know why. I didn't like breathwork, I didn't want I didn't have the money or the means, like I was in a very. Deep, deep state of grief. No, none of that made an ounce of sense, but I think I needed to be at the space where I was just so heavy in my grief and emotions to say, I'm just going to listen to this voice because nothing else has panned out. So whatever, let's just do this thing. And that in an instant shifted a trajectory for me that opened up so much, it was not easy. It did not feel good. It was not always fun or enjoyable, and it was the unlocking of what my body had stored for all of the years up until then. That allowed me then to step into a space that feels, yes, that feels like I can say that and mean that instead of just saying that and hoping that everybody else would believe that to be true.
Brenda (00:34:06) - Oh, that is so good. It's so good.
Brenda (00:34:10) - You know, I didn't like breathwork at first either. Really. I tried breathwork, I, I'd had a session with somebody in Florida and I was like, yeah, it's okay. I mean, it's okay. I didn't hate it, but I certainly didn't love it. And when, when I met Sam in person at the beginning of the breathwork session, people were there was a buzz like, oh, I want to be a facilitator. I'm going to take the facilitator training. And I was like, I'm not.
(00:34:36) - I like when we're so certain, cute for you.
Meghan (00:34:40) - But that's not my.
(00:34:41) - Path, right?
Brenda (00:34:42) - Like, I'm not going to do that. I don't need any more training. I don't need any more anything. And then I finished the session and I was like, and how do I sign up for this?
(00:34:51) - Where's that link?
Brenda (00:34:52) - Right. Exactly.
(00:34:54) - Oh, yeah. Oh.
Brenda (00:34:55) - So good. Megan, thank you so much for being here today. Thank you for being a guest.
Meghan (00:34:59) - Thank you for your questions and your conversation. And thank you for letting me. I love any time we get to hang out together.
Brenda (00:35:05) - Me too. Me too.
