Brenda (00:00:00) - It is. Caroline, I'm so excited to see you.
Caroline (00:00:06) - Thank you. Brenda. I'm excited to be here.
Brenda (00:00:09) - Oh my goodness. So we met in person at a breathwork retreat last August. And then since then we've been kind of circulating in each other's worlds. And I just adore you. And I love the work that you're doing. And I'm so inspired by the way that you have created flow. And we'll talk more about that. But just welcome. Welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you here. For the listeners who may not have met you yet. Could you tell us who you are a little bit about the work that you do in the world?
Caroline (00:00:45) - Okay. my name is Caroline Gibson, and I am a chartered psychologist and trauma informed breathwork facilitator. I do a lot of transformational programs, leadership programs for corporate, for the corporate world. I travel a lot and it's very enjoyable.
Brenda (00:01:08) - I love it. So you were telling a story once in one of our shared groups about flipping through Instagram and seeing our mentor, Samantha Skelley, and you talked about how you had no idea who she was or what she offered, but that it transformed your life because you started to feel the energy and just flow with it.
Brenda (00:01:34) - Would you mind sharing that story?
Caroline (00:01:36) - Oh, I can't believe you brought this up. Okay, so as nothin's off limits. yeah. So for me, Samantha Skelly, the little pocket rocket that she is has been, to work with her has been transformational. She came into my life, at a time that I least expected it. And, yes, I was flicking through Insta, and I seen Samantha. my volume is off. We were boarding a flight with my husband, and I seen her, and she was just. And pure energy and joy, and she was in her heart space, and she was just authentically having fun and being herself as we know she loves to do. And I just in that moment remember thinking, I want that I whatever she sell and I'm buying. And I didn't know what she was selling at that time. I didn't know her. And I said to my husband, what do you think she's selling? And I think he said, she's selling her face cream has to be face cream.
Caroline (00:02:42) - And Sam Skelley has good skin. So, yeah, there's a bit of that. And I just remember, like, making this promise to myself, like, whatever that girl's doing, it's working. I want some of that. And then as life, you know, often doors there was synchronicities and I'd developed an interest in breathwork. And a friend suggested her and I booked a call and I didn't actually really I had no desire to become a facilitator at that time. I had no, I wasn't actually looking for a career. or, you know, I'd taken a break from career. so yeah, it just led me down this path and it's been a roller coaster. It's been fantastic. I had to New York tomorrow to deliver breathwork to a senior management team. I have three more corporate gigs after that, and it's very exciting. Yeah, it's so exciting.
Brenda (00:03:43) - And so the reason that that stands out for me is you followed the energy then. Which says two things. There's two ways we can look at this.
Brenda (00:03:54) - One is you followed the energy which has unleashed a whole new thing for you. But the other piece is for the listener that's thinking. I don't know how to attract the people that I want to attract into my life, whether that is, someone that is going to hire you for a job or a partner or a client, it's all energy.
Caroline (00:04:21) - Yeah for sure. And I think as I went through you know from that experience I do bring in and attract positive experiences. People who have that energy that I desire. You know the energy like when we spend time together, you and I were like this is so much fun. Yeah. I tend not to spend time with people who leave me feeling a little bit drained or depleted. so yeah, like life's life is beautiful when you just when you follow the energy and and the fun. And sometimes when you follow the energy, it doesn't make a lot of logical sense, as in, there is no real reason why I would desire to become a breathwork facilitator.
Caroline (00:05:06) - There is no. But at that time, it made no sense. It was just it was just pure fun and enjoyment.
Brenda (00:05:14) - Same. I mean, I kind of mocked. Breathwork facilitators before I became one because I was like, that's a job. Like, seriously, that's a job someone gets paid to do. How do they do that? And and then I was like, oh, I want to be one.
Caroline (00:05:34) - On your breath. Work sessions are insane. I love them. Yeah.
Brenda (00:05:37) - Thank you, thank you. So good. So there were two things that you said that I'd love to just pull the thread on. One is you said you don't spend time with people who drain you. and we'll come back to the second and in just a minute. But was that something that you've always done or was it something you learned to do?
Caroline (00:05:55) - No, it's something that I learned to do. And. I would say that, you know, and this can be painful. I would say over the last few years, my like, friendship circles have changed.
Caroline (00:06:08) - Those I spend time with, sometimes people that I thought, you know, I'm not so sure about them. They've become quite, you know, trusted and close friends. And there's people that I maybe spent time with that I just didn't overly enjoy their company. And, you know, they've got people that's better suited to them. So, yeah, I consciously make an effort to try and spend time with people I enjoy and doing things that I enjoy.
Brenda (00:06:40) - that resonates for me. You know, I. The more work you do in energy, the more sensitive you become. And that works in two ways. It works so that we actually are able to pick up more when we're working with clients. But it also means that we have a lower tolerance for anything that doesn't feel good. And so, you know, when I'm with somebody and I feel drained after being with them, I that's a no for me. Like, I just, I, I don't feel like I have energy, I want to burn on someone who's draining.
Caroline (00:07:18) - Yeah. And when I do corporate groups and I hold breathwork sessions, I have some fantastic clients. I afterwards, like I'm buzzing. I'm just like, that was so good. And my energy's, you know, great. And my husband's like, please go to the gym. And I keep saying, you know, I don't have a monopoly on happiness and joy. It's available to all of you. So yeah, there's a lot of fun with it.
Brenda (00:07:46) - I love that. And one of the other passions that you have is around horses.
Caroline (00:07:52) - Yep. Very much so. my daughter she jumps and loves. She loves to. Yeah she loves doing that. It's really a passion for her. It's a hobby gone a little bit mad. And we spend a lot of time. We spend a lot of time traveling and I keep our horses fit. While she's at uni. I do a little bit of competing. I get some support for that. and it's good fun. We spend spend a good bit of time during Covid traveling.
Caroline (00:08:26) - Which is probably the least sensible time to travel. But but that's what happened. And it was beautiful. Yeah. It was really a really enjoyable experience. And I think I found a lot of freedom. You know, June during Covid, and the freedom to do that. Yeah.
Brenda (00:08:46) - And you talk about using horses as part of transformation, like for equine therapy. Is that how you say equine therapy?
Caroline (00:08:56) - Yeah, I've recently trained in equine therapy, and I'm offering retreats, starting to offer retreats whereby we combine breathwork with the power of horses. And yeah, it's super special.
Brenda (00:09:11) - Yeah. So when when we think about energy, there are there are a lot of things that I talk about for people, but like cats, for example, really absorb things from their humans. And so cats can be very healing because they can absorb any negative energies and transmute them into something better. And dogs are so loving, and they often offer companionship and raise the vibration in general because of their happiness. And horses are known to be like the most sensitive in the entire animal kingdom and can offer tremendous healing.
Brenda (00:09:52) - Which I'm wondering is that because of co regulation, because they're nervous systems are are larger than ours and perhaps more grounded or how does that work.
Caroline (00:10:01) - Yeah for sure. And I think also the horses using horses for therapy is so successful because the horses, they're common. There's no judgment with them. they can express themselves and start in ways that give you that you relate to, gives you messages. people feel comfortable in that space. Yeah. So there's a lot of, research and a lot of really good work done, especially, where I train, which was over in Richmond. and there's a lot of retreats, that are doing beautiful work.
Brenda (00:10:46) - It's amazing. The other thing that we were talking about that I said I wanted to pull the thread on, was, you have fun. I mean, you have fun. Everything you do is fun. You laugh a lot. I do, and I'm wondering, was that is that part personality or is that something that you have come to embody?
Caroline (00:11:08) - No.
Caroline (00:11:08) - I like to have fun. I like to laugh. I like to do things that are, you know, that bring me joy. I hang out with people that bring me joy, I plan activities, I have a lot of fun things in my calendar. I have a lot of trips, some work trips, if you can really call them that. so yeah, I laugh a lot. I laugh at myself. I mean, I do stupid things as well, so there's plenty of opportunity. My family laugh at me as well. I like to joke about with my friends. Yeah, it's I think it's it's good. I think we need to. There's not enough laughter in the world. Sometimes I think there's a lot of heaviness. And, Yeah, I like to raise the vibration more possible.
Brenda (00:11:55) - And seeing your results. It's working. So you graduated from the breathwork program in the last year? Let's just say it's not quite. And so you have completely created this new reality for yourself and you.
Brenda (00:12:16) - It's so inspiring to watch you because you will just get a little idea in your head. And the next thing you know, you're like, oh, hey, now this is real. This is the thing. How do you do that? Because so many people are absolutely stumped by how to create the things they really want, and you have a way of doing it and it makes it look absolutely effortless.
Caroline (00:12:40) - I don't know if it's strictly me. So I have like a really strong faith and I feel that I get like God given visions and that I have gifts that allow me to be able to fulfill what I'm essentially feel called to, to be here to do. so yeah, that I feel really aligned with what, with the work that I'm doing. And I'll give you an example. I actually, I came home from we went to London, then we had Christmas, and then we went to Lanzarote, and I came home and I said to my friend, I think I want to take a little break from breathwork.
Caroline (00:13:22) - And I could see the pure like shock on her face. She was like, well, you love breathwork and I can people love having breathwork with you? And it's gone so well. And I was like, yeah, and I think I was just feeling a little tired that day. And then the next day I got this most amazing opportunity and I was like, yeah, I'm going to do that. And in order to do that, I need to book in all these sessions and I'm going to hold groups and and it just all took off again. And she said, that was an interesting moment, don't you think? And I said, yeah, I think for a second, I just forgot what my purpose was. And I, I found that as soon as I connected back to that, all the energy came back and the enthusiasm and the passion and the love. And I was like, yeah, I'm. I'm back where I need to be. So for me to to have that and to live like that, you need to have that vision of what you want to, where you're going, what you want to achieve, who you want to be, who you want to become.
Caroline (00:14:26) - Yeah. Once you hold that, the journey becomes easy.
Brenda (00:14:31) - I love this I love this. And you know one of the things that I, I actually had a conversation with somebody this morning about breathwork and so I was I'll leave some of the context out so that this person remains anonymous. But I'll just say that this person is doing a lot of research into trauma and that there have been some challenges in. Supporting the researchers so that they're not taking on secondary trauma. And I offered to to support using breathwork. And the response was, well, I have a lot of religious ideologies to balance in this group, so I don't think I can do that. And I thought to myself, oh, that's interesting, that religion or ideology would come up when we're talking about breathwork. And so I love that you brought up that you have this connection, this deep faith and centering on God, and also use breathwork. And so how do you braid that together in your own mind? For the listener who's thinking, I think I'd like to try breathwork, but I don't know if it aligns with my religious beliefs.
Caroline (00:15:50) - Yeah. Oh, I love this question. so I think for me, the breathwork is very spiritual and for me, breathwork allowed me I was busy, I was go, go, go all the time. I had no time. you know, and you've, you've kids and you've, you know, houses and you've, you know, trips and your support and your husband and life gets busy. And I never had the time until I started doing breathwork to actually slow down and to, slow down my thoughts and quieten that busyness. And that allowed me to connect. And it allowed me to connect with God on a level that, I didn't actually think was possible. So for me, the breathwork is it's very spiritual, and it's been the vehicle that's allowed me to have that deep, intimate connection to have that faith. And I mean, for breathwork, I, I offer that to anyone. I meet people where they're at and the but I also offer faith based breathwork for people who, who who that's their thing.
Caroline (00:16:59) - I fail sometimes in the self-development world that people are so concerned about offending or excluding or not aligning with absolutely every view that they become this sort of weak, watered down versions of themselves where they don't really know what they believe in anymore. Or and yeah, I see that a lot. And I'm just like, no, well, for me it's God, you know? But whatever it is for you, you know? I don't exclude anyone from breathwork. I think it's beautiful, and one of the things I love about it is that it's it's ever present and it's so easily accessible.
Brenda (00:17:39) - I love that too.
Caroline (00:17:40) - And it's free. It's a God given, free gift.
Brenda (00:17:43) - Absolutely. And I absolutely agree that it has deepened my spiritual beliefs in in ways that I would never have predicted. Yeah, because that was not what I was seeking. I just wanted to feel better. Like, literally, I just wanted to feel better. Yeah yeah. Oh my gosh. So good. Thank you for answering that.
Caroline (00:18:07) - No problem.
Brenda (00:18:08) - So. When you lead corporate breathwork. There are many people, many corporations who I've spoken with that think that there's no space for that kind of thing in corporate. But you and I both believe that there's a space for everyone in breathwork. What are some of the ways that you have been able to help corporate understand how they can fit breathwork into their wellness initiatives?
Caroline (00:18:44) - Okay, so for me, with the breath work, I work with HR departments and very often their reasons for bringing in the breathwork is because there's this realization that their employees are the most valuable resource, and they're really struggling and they're struggling with, you know, people being off with stress, absenteeism, their sickness rates are high and it puts pressure. The other the other thing is, we know practicing breathwork is that allows us to, develop our intuition. It allows us to achieve mental clarity, better focus, to make better decisions, to be more productive, to be happier, to earn more money. So for me, it's, a modality that HR departments and managers, you know, I work with CEOs, I, I work with elite athletes.
Caroline (00:19:41) - it has benefits for everyone. And partly the workshops that I do, we, you know, we have transformational experiences during those, but we also offer tools and techniques that the managers, the team can come and experience and then can take away, and they can employ those into their everyday life to achieve better, to sleep, to achieve help them before their presentations, to help them before their meetings, to improve their client, customer relationships. So the breathwork has been, very successful in the corporate sphere for sure.
(00:20:20) - I love that.
Brenda (00:20:21) - I love that I found the same thing when I've offered breathwork to, to school communities, which I'm kind of moving away from a little bit. But in the same way, it it enhances that performance aspect because it literally relieves and eliminate so much stress in the body and anxiety from the mind.
Caroline (00:20:42) - Yeah for sure. And like I always say, I have two kids, Annie and David. And I always say to them, why don't they teach you something useful in school, like how to breathe and regulate your nervous system and connect better with yourself? And they're like, yeah, that would be good, mom.
Caroline (00:20:58) - That would be great if.
Brenda (00:21:00) - You could do it.
Caroline (00:21:02) - I do. My daughter breathes with me, my son a little as well. So. Yeah, it's it's good. It's become a family thing. Yeah.
Brenda (00:21:11) - That's so good. So we were having a conversation earlier in the week just connecting. And one of the things that you said really stood out to me, and you said something to the effect of it's been very easy for you to attract the right kind of work. And I know that there's, there's work on your end that has gone into making that a reality. Starting with leading with your energy, making sure you're having fun, taking care of yourself, resourcing yourself. But there's a lot of listeners out there who are wondering, how do I create the abundance and the work environments that really light me up? And I wondered if you could talk a little bit about about that experience. I know it's not as simple as being a process, but I know there's there's some things that you have done to create that.
Caroline (00:22:08) - So just to clarify, Brenda, you want to know how I've attracted the clients that I know I work with?
Brenda (00:22:13) - Yeah, because you do it. You do it in a way that is almost effortless by simply being the right person for the job.
Caroline (00:22:24) - Yeah. So I, I think there's two things. The first thing is that I decline the ones that aren't aligned. I think in this world people feel a lot of pressure because they're like, I want to generate income. And if a client comes along, it's hard sometimes to say no because, you know, sometimes we're a fear based society and we're like, you know what? If I don't get more? And what if I don't meet my monthly target? Or what if there isn't another client? But I think, I think by declining the clients that aren't aligned on the organizations that aren't aligned, you leave the space for the ones that are, you know, so there's firstly, there's that room and then there's like, who would I most want to work with? Who will I most have impact with? I do a lot of charity work, which I really, really enjoy.
Caroline (00:23:17) - And I feel I just would I like to work, and I attract those people who. Who are going to make impact in the world. I attract clients who are actually ready to put the work in. And turn up, commit and want like long term meaningful transformational change. as opposed to just having a bit of a flirt with it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So that that's been powerful.
Brenda (00:23:52) - So I heard two really big themes. One is declining the things that are not aligned. Yeah. And being really clear about what it is you want.
(00:24:03) - Yes. Yeah, I love.
Brenda (00:24:06) - That and it seems almost too simple to work, but it really does. I found that it was. Yeah, I found that in my own business too, that the more I call in what I want and what I feel like I can. Really use for transformational healing for people. And I call in those clients. I feel like I get really good results and the clients that, aren't aligned.
Brenda (00:24:30) - When I finally developed the courage to say, I don't think this is a fit, I think that maybe this person over here might be a better person for you. It was amazing what happened in my own business.
Caroline (00:24:42) - Yeah, I feel that, yeah, for sure. It's because a lot of people do say yes to the things I like. We've talked about how I've said yes to things that have been really aligned, but it's been brave enough to say no to the things that aren't, and it's having the discernment to know the difference. Yeah.
Brenda (00:25:05) - Does does when you were starting this process. Was there ever any part of scarcity that you had to work through? When you were saying no, because you've brought this theme up a few times now because you talked about it in friendships that didn't feel aligned and work that doesn't feel aligned. Was there ever a part of you that worried? What if I'm saying no to the wrong thing?
Caroline (00:25:31) - No, I don't think you can. I think you know. and, you know, I think I trust.
Caroline (00:25:39) - I trust. Like my body, my intuition. I try not to let my mind get overly involved at this stage because your mind, And I can give you two examples. So I remember when you, you signed up for my breathwork, and I was only in practicum at that stage and I had this thought, oh my goodness, Brenda is so good a breathwork. And I am like in training and she's going to hate my breathwork. And it's and at that time I caught that thought. And like I'm a chartered psychologist so I could give you loads of theories. I'm not going to I just said to my mind like, shut up, you don't get to be a part of this. thank you for keeping me safe. But, this is my my gig, and I want to do this. And we went ahead and had the most beautiful session.
(00:26:29) - And it was incredible.
Caroline (00:26:31) - Yeah. And I afterwards, I just went, I'm so glad that I didn't let my mind get involved. And this has been a theme for me.
Caroline (00:26:39) - when I went for the joined, you know, Samantha's course. And I remember coming off the call, the call on my husband saying, so what are the details? And I was thinking details. If I'd asked any details, I think I wouldn't have signed up. I had discovered the life out of myself. So I was like, I just said yes before I could, you know, before the details, felt scary. So. And I think even when I think about the relationships I have and the relationship I have with my husband, like when we first met, I for both of us, we I just instantly knew I was like, that's it, I'm going to marry this man. And I remember coming home and my sister was there and I was like, oh my word, I just met the person I'm going to marry. Like, she she didn't say, I'm so happy for you. She said, have you had your head? This is the most ridiculous.
(00:27:32) - Thing.
Caroline (00:27:33) - I have ever heard.
Caroline (00:27:34) - You have been on one date, you know. So there's this thing about what society expects of us, and you know, how we should behave and how we should. You know, how we should take our time and how we should be analytical and how we should, think things through and how we should get lots of different opinions. And, and there is a place for that. but for me, it's time to follow your intuition. And breathwork has allowed me to connect deeper with myself and establish that intuition, to know which clients, to know which relationships, to know which events. and sometimes when something doesn't feel right in your gut and you're like, oh, I'm just not sure it listen to that because it very it it's, it's the truth. You know, it always tends to. Yeah. To be the.
(00:28:29) - Case.
Brenda (00:28:30) - And you said something really important. You said when you feel that feeling in your gut.
(00:28:35) - and.
Brenda (00:28:36) - I wanted to just pull that thread. The feeling that something's not right is not in your mind.
Brenda (00:28:42) - It's not something you're thinking about. It's not the mind chatter of, oh, well, should I or shouldn't I? Or what's the pro con list? It's a feeling deep in your body when you just, you know, in your gut or you know in your heart that it's the right decision. I agree, that's how I make it decisions too. So when it's like when I say a full body, yes, there's no part of my body that is in contrast. I'm not feeling any constriction anywhere. There's it's openness, it's expansion, it's energy flowing. sometimes it's almost like a buzzing energy in my body when it's a full body. Yes. And then if it's a no, I feel almost like I want to curl in around something like it's it's a a no, like my, my shoulders are coming in and I'm bending over my belly and and just like, almost turning into a fetal position when it's a no, I'm not actually getting into a fetal position to say no. But that's the feeling in my body.
Brenda (00:29:42) - How does it feel in your body when it's a full body? Yes.
Caroline (00:29:45) - It feels exactly the same as in there is no doubt. You know, it's like, I'm going to marry this man. I'm going to have this client. It feels good. I think on the occasions where I. You that it. That person or that event wasn't my thing. The reason that I done that particular thing was to people. Please. so I'd be worried that if I don't go and look bad or, you know. Yeah. And I think there's reasons why people feel they can't follow their, their. Yes or their intuition. And for me, historically, it was it was the fear of disappointing others. you know, and. Yeah. And, and that thing we have where we want to please people.
Brenda (00:30:32) - Oh, totally. I relate to that. When I was little, I always had intuitive abilities, but I, I learned early on. That I could really scare people if I were to say all the things that I was able to pick up for people.
Brenda (00:30:50) - And so I turned it into people pleasing, because that way I didn't actually have to talk. I didn't have to reveal anything that I knew I could just people please my way through life. And so that way I could make sure that I went to the least regulated nervous system in the room, made that person feel better, which made my nervous system feel safer. And that turned into like people pleasing habits that carried me through my teens and my 20s and into my my first marriage. See what I did there? I'm not remarried yet, but just putting it out there.
(00:31:25) - Yeah.
Caroline (00:31:26) - If anyone wants a hot date, brand is free this weekend. Let's go.
(00:31:31) - That's right.
Brenda (00:31:32) - Let's go, let's go. But so I just I resonate with what you say about the people pleasing. Because, you know, whether you come from a family of, like, really solid, loving relationships or you come from, a family with a little bit more chaos, or maybe you have intuitive abilities and no one else in your family did.
Brenda (00:31:52) - You can you can learn to people, please, by accident, because that's what we're taught in our society.
(00:31:59) - Yeah, yeah.
Caroline (00:32:00) - I just and it's just letting that go, you know. So there's been very little people pleasing in my life over the last few months.
(00:32:09) - Yeah. Me too, me too.
Brenda (00:32:11) - And occasionally I'll have the awareness, especially when I, when I come to groups that maybe I was in like five, six, seven years ago before I did a lot of this personal work. And I can feel in my body that the way I'm responding is unfamiliar to them, and they almost don't know what to do because I, I remember a moment when someone said to me, well, you know, the reason we ask you. And I was like, no, I don't. And the person said, because you always say yes. and I in that moment, it was meant as a compliment. It was meant to be like, we know you're there for the team, but the way that I took it was, oh, they know I'm not going to tell them.
Brenda (00:32:57) - No. So I'm an easy yes. So I redesigned my yeses. So I had to learn to say a lot of no's.
(00:33:08) - Yeah, there's.
Caroline (00:33:08) - A lot of no's now, but, Yeah, it's it's it's.
(00:33:13) - Good.
Brenda (00:33:13) - I love that. So as we kind of come to a close, I have a question which is what is one thing you either did or did not do that has led you to your yes filled life?
Caroline (00:33:28) - Oh. There's a lot of things recently that I've said yes to that has brought me to where I am now. And when I look back and I look in some respects, I'm living the same life. I'm in the same place. We live in a beautiful part of the world. I'm with the same husband, two beautiful kids. But my life feels so different. there's so much joy. There's so much gratitude. There's so much love. I spend my time doing things I love, getting rewarded for doing them. I spend it with people whose company I enjoy.
Caroline (00:34:08) - So there's been a massive shift internally, and. For me, it's just about infusing my life with all the things that are good and removing all the things that didn't serve me. so bad habits. Perhaps like the papal plays and limiting beliefs. the list is fairly extensive. So I just done a reshuffle and I removed anything and everything that wasn't making the cut, and I filled it with everything that brings me joy. should that be events? relationships? More time with my husband. God. Breath work, horses, equine. Yeah. All the good stuff. And it feels good where I am most of the time, in this beautiful, joyous state.
Brenda (00:35:06) - And I can attest to that.
(00:35:09) - yeah, I.
Caroline (00:35:10) - Know I like being here, and, it's a lovely. And I think the thing is that I. I believe that this is available to everyone. This is not, something special to me. You know that I have grabbed hold of this, you know, the connection with your breath, the connection to God.
Caroline (00:35:32) - You know, using your intuition to make better decisions, to to redesign your life. This is available to absolutely anyone and everyone that wants it. yeah. That's that's that's the key part.
Brenda (00:35:48) - I agree. It's a choice. It's choosing to live a joyful life, which means willingness to say no to the things that don't feel good.
Caroline (00:35:59) - Yeah. And I think for me, initially it's about slowing down and connecting with yourself so that you can make that decision. I would say honestly, I was a bit tired and stressed and a bit numbed out in life. So it's getting to know yourself better so that you can make that decision, you know, does this bring me joy? Does this not bring me joy? yeah. And and there's a discernment that comes in there. When you better know yourself, you can better serve yourself. You can better love yourself. You can start realizing that you can create the life that you desire 100%.
Brenda (00:36:39) - I love that, Caroline. Where can people connect with you?
(00:36:44) - Oh.
Caroline (00:36:45) - Yeah. I like to stay quite hidden. you're gonna have to look to find me. I just believe that those people that want to, That want to work with me will find me, probably best, a lot of the corporate work I fall under my husband's business, which is Gibson hallmark. yeah, and I will. I am in the process of doing a website, so when I get round to that, I will, For sure. Sure.
(00:37:16) - Yeah.
Brenda (00:37:18) - I'm just so honored to have you on the podcast, to have you in my life, to have you as my friend. And, you know, your joy is contagious. Your joy makes it easy to be in a joyful state. So thank you for doing the work that you're doing in the world. It's making a difference to a lot of lives.
Caroline (00:37:38) - Oh, Brenda, I so receive that. And I just love our relationship. I love the way we've jumped in. So deep and we've just got each other. I love your breath work.
Caroline (00:37:48) - I love your fillers. I love everything we do together. And, life's getting exciting, and I'm. I'm there for all of it.
(00:37:57) - Yeah, I'm here for it.
Brenda (00:37:59) - Oh my gosh cheering you on.
(00:38:00) - Yeah. You too.
Brenda (00:38:02) - Thank you.
